WTF So I just dick'd my butt

APRIL said:
As of now, the work comes to me so I very rarely have to look for new contracts. Lots of repeat business and word of mouth. It helps that I do everything from hosting, designing (web, graphic, and print), social media, SEO, advertising, etc. so my customers come to me for everything Web and marketing related.

Anything I can't or don't want to do, I have contractors for... This is the area I need to be better at managing if I ever want to make the big bucks. The big money is very rarely in doing the work yourself (but I enjoy it). If I want to make more money than I am now, I need to farm everything out.

I started out by doing volunteer work for a nonprofit. Made them a website for fundraising and kept in touch with companies and coworkers I worked for in the past. I've gotten a ton of business just from my contacts. I also used Guru, like Fly said, and kept in touch with clients I got there so there was repeat business. Never said I couldn't do something, because it's all opportunity.

Peopleperhour.com is another good site. I got one of my best contractors from it.
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Yeah I need to start learning something else. Money in Web development will be next nothing in the not too distant future. With Labor laws changing for the worse and allowing foreigners to come in, or work from another country, pay in this industry will plummet.
 
OzSTEEZ said:
There are a few sites but that are full of Indians who will work for 5x less.
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Use that to your advantage. Clients learn that quality work comes at a cost. People find value in higher prices so don't sell yourself short. Saying English is my native language helped me a ton too.

Clients get a cheap overseas person and then get a crappy product. Then they look for someone they can communicate with and pay more to do it right the first time. That's where you fit in.
 
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OzSTEEZ said:
Yeah I need to start learning something else. Money in Web development will be next nothing in the not too distant future. With Labor laws changing for the worse and allowing foreigners to come in, or work from another country, pay in this industry will plummet.
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Maybe in Australia, but that's the beauty of web development, you can sell to anyone in the world.
 
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APRIL said:
As of now, the work comes to me so I very rarely have to look for new contracts. Lots of repeat business and word of mouth. It helps that I do everything from hosting, designing (web, graphic, and print), social media, SEO, advertising, etc. so my customers come to me for everything Web and marketing related.

Anything I can't or don't want to do, I have contractors for... This is the area I need to be better at managing if I ever want to make the big bucks. The big money is very rarely in doing the work yourself (but I enjoy it). If I want to make more money than I am now, I need to farm everything out.

I started out by doing volunteer work for a nonprofit. Made them a website for fundraising and kept in touch with companies and coworkers I worked for in the past. I've gotten a ton of business just from my contacts. I also used Guru, like Fly said, and kept in touch with clients I got there so there was repeat business. Never said I couldn't do something, because it's all opportunity.

Peopleperhour.com is another good site. I got one of my best contractors from it.
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The more I think about it. For what I do, freelancing would be a waste of time. No one is going to hire someone like me. I'm more for a specialised project for a company. Someone a company would bring in for a like 6 mo this to create the interface to a serious application. No one would pay enough for me to do a standard brochure type website.
 
APRIL said:
Maybe in Australia, but that's the beauty of web development, you can sell to anyone in the world.
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The Indians and eastern Europeans are getting better all the time. Soon they will be up to our standards and will cost far less. Hopefully at that point, I will have four d something else to do and learnt how to do it.
 
OzSTEEZ said:
The more I think about it. For what I do, freelancing would be a waste of time. No one is going to hire someone like me. I'm more for a specialised project for a company. Someone a company would bring in for a like 6 mo this to create the interface to a serious application. No one would pay enough for me to do a standard brochure type website.
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People have Wix and GoDaddy builder for basic brochure sites.

.. And companies dont want brochure sites. The money is in the large dev projects.
 
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APRIL said:
People have Wix and GoDaddy builder for basic brochure sites.

.. And companies dont want brochure sites. The money is in the large dev projects.
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Well I'm looking at the freelancer sites and the money is really low for what they want.

Anything under $80 an hour would just be a waste of time for me.

The other thing I notice is that their descriptions of what they want are shit. I can't tell if the job would take 1 week or 1 month.
 
OzSTEEZ said:
Well I'm looking at the freelancer sites and the money is really low for what they want.

Anything under $80 an hour would just be a waste of time for me.

The other thing I notice is that their descriptions of what they want are shit. I can't tell if the job would take 1 week or 1 month.
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Ya, personally, I'm not a fan of those sites, but I ate shit for a while so I could learn and get myself out there.

Finding a unicorn job is unlikely to happen. If you want to work for yourself, you've gotta start somewhere.
 
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APRIL said:
Ya, personally, I'm not a fan of those sites, but I ate shit for a while so I could learn and get myself out there.

Finding a unicorn job is unlikely to happen. If you want to work for yourself, you've gotta start somewhere.
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This more for extra money. I'm not quiting my full-time job. And if the pay is shit I can do other jobs (non development) for more money.
 
A friend of mine takes in large contracts from companies. However, he subcontracts to Indians at around 9k to 11k USD per year.
 
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OzSTEEZ said:
The more I think about it. For what I do, freelancing would be a waste of time. No one is going to hire someone like me. I'm more for a specialised project for a company. Someone a company would bring in for a like 6 mo this to create the interface to a serious application. No one would pay enough for me to do a standard brochure type website.
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I've seen jobs on Guru for people to write device drivers, or do some crazy Assember stuff. That's some serious shit. There is absolutely work there for you.
 
OzSTEEZ said:
Well I'm looking at the freelancer sites and the money is really low for what they want.

Anything under $80 an hour would just be a waste of time for me.

The other thing I notice is that their descriptions of what they want are shit. I can't tell if the job would take 1 week or 1 month.
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Then bid $85/hr and be done with it. If they don't bite, then who cares?
 
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Mr. Asa said:
Second round of interviews was today. Showed up in slacks, long sleeve collared shirt, and a tie.

They had me disassemble a lawnmower engine and put it back together.

There were some other things as well, I think it went well.
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My last interview was 20 years ago.
They watched me disassemble a blueberry muffin at one point.
 
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