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well MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD STOP ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY

"I want asylum" has become like the secret password to get past the doorman. Once they claim that, they're in a different category. No longer illegal in the same sense that someone who just snuck across the river and disappeared in here is.

Between that and simply overwhelming the system with sheer numbers they end up in a legal process that could take years to work itself out.

We're basically just not equipped to handle anywhere near as many as are coming. Also a lot of these "facilities" (they're jails) were set up to handle a lot of single men. That's what the majority were when they were built and up until recently.

Now there's shitloads of families and kids coming, all claiming asylum to get in the door and we're not set up to handle it.

Anyway, that's a little bit of how we got to this point, now what?
 
well MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD STOP ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY
Maybe we should have a clear, easy path to enter the country legally, instead of the clusterfuck of "let's impose all sorts of random barriers for brown folks" that we have now.

Maybe we should also stop fucking things up in Central America so that we end up with unstable governments victimizing their citizenry to the point where they feel like it's necessary to go on such a long hike North.
 
Maybe we should have a clear, easy path to enter the country legally, instead of the clusterfuck of "let's impose all sorts of random barriers for brown folks" that we have now.

Maybe we should also stop fucking things up in Central America so that we end up with unstable governments victimizing their citizenry to the point where they feel like it's necessary to go on such a long hike North.
I agree but at some point we'd have to throttle it. We can't take all comers.:rolleyes:
 
What's the number that we can't go beyond?
Unemployment is at 3.6% in a fairly strong economy. So I'd say we're just about there. Unemployment rarely dips much below that because there is alway a portion of the adult population that doesn't really want to work or just can't muster themselves to get/keep a job.
That said, not sure why the people in the camps can't be treated at least as good as people on welfare. Look at the cost.

ICE facilities cost $133.99 a day per adult
According to ICE’s FY 2018 budget, on average it costs $133.99 a day to maintain one adult detention bed. But immigration groups have pegged the number closer to $200 a day.
The cost to maintain a family bed, which keeps mothers and children together in a family residential center, costs around $319 a day, according to DHS.
But as of April, children have been separated from their parents with much higher frequency, which has led to the creation of “tent cities” to hold thousands of separated children. Those beds cost $775 per person per night, HHS told NBC News.
 
Unemployment is at 3.6% in a fairly strong economy. So I'd say we're just about there. Unemployment rarely dips much below that because there is alway a portion of the adult population that doesn't really want to work or just can't muster themselves to get/keep a job.
That said, not sure why the people in the camps can't be treated at least as good as people on welfare. Look at the cost.

ICE facilities cost $133.99 a day per adult
According to ICE’s FY 2018 budget, on average it costs $133.99 a day to maintain one adult detention bed. But immigration groups have pegged the number closer to $200 a day.
The cost to maintain a family bed, which keeps mothers and children together in a family residential center, costs around $319 a day, according to DHS.
But as of April, children have been separated from their parents with much higher frequency, which has led to the creation of “tent cities” to hold thousands of separated children. Those beds cost $775 per person per night, HHS told NBC News.
Oh, so immigration is great, but we just can't have any more.

 
well MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD STOP ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY
even illegal border crossing, if they were afforded the due process guaranteed them by our constitution (which, most of our amendments apply to persons, not specifically citizens, and as such non-citizens in our country are legally to be afforded these protections), is only a misdemeanor. some people on this forum commit misdemeanor-level offenses on the daily.
 
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It needs to be throttled. But we could do it a lot nicer. And yeah, would be nice if more of those folks felt good about just staying "home". Everything from palm oil to politics plays a hand in that.
It's a self-regulating problem. If there aren't any jobs to come to, there won't be any migrants coming. Invisible hand of the market and all that.
 
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It's a self-regulating problem. If there aren't any jobs to come to, there won't be any migrants coming. Invisible hand of the market and all that.
Low wage jobs that help expand the lower working class. It's a problem even for the imigrees - always someone hungrier and willing to work cheaper.
 
ICE to expand DNA testing at border.
According to them (whatever that's worth), a 3-day pilot program found 18 of a suspected 84 families were fraudulent. Meaning they're using random unrelated kids to mule people in. Human/child trafficking, kidnapping, etc.

They're just starting this now?
How many kids have already come through this way with "families" of sickos?




 
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ICE to expand DNA testing at border.
According to them (whatever that's worth), a 3-day pilot program found 18 of a suspected 84 families were fraudulent. Meaning they're using random unrelated kids to mule people in. Human/child trafficking, kidnapping, etc.

They're just starting this now?
How many kids have already come through this way with "families" of sickos?




"What, that's not my son?!" "Wow, guess my brother really did have it in for me."
 
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ICE to expand DNA testing at border.
According to them (whatever that's worth), a 3-day pilot program found 18 of a suspected 84 families were fraudulent. Meaning they're using random unrelated kids to mule people in. Human/child trafficking, kidnapping, etc.

They're just starting this now?
How many kids have already come through this way with "families" of sickos?




That's controversial as fuck. DNA'ing a big block of people against their will. And you're right that it's the kid's muling the adults. 1 kid can claim 2 parents. ;)
 
ICE to expand DNA testing at border.
According to them (whatever that's worth), a 3-day pilot program found 18 of a suspected 84 families were fraudulent. Meaning they're using random unrelated kids to mule people in. Human/child trafficking, kidnapping, etc.

They're just starting this now?
How many kids have already come through this way with "families" of sickos?






you know who wins here?
The people that sell the dna testing kits to the government.
 
ICE to expand DNA testing at border.
According to them (whatever that's worth), a 3-day pilot program found 18 of a suspected 84 families were fraudulent. Meaning they're using random unrelated kids to mule people in. Human/child trafficking, kidnapping, etc.

They're just starting this now?
How many kids have already come through this way with "families" of sickos?




$5.2 million could buy a lot of the hygiene items for which they claim to lack funding and to which those in the camps are entitled regardless of familial relation but sure, I guess wasting it on *just securing the contract* to DNA test people against their will to find a relatively small number of infractions is fine, too.
 
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