Ontopic Political Poo Flinging

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HipHugHer said:
I've illegally infiltrated Canada on a few occasions. Couple times I even got out of the canoe and went trapsing through the woods just to stick it to The Man® extra hard.
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If you crossed the border in a canoe to go play in the woods, you're pretty much canadian.

I canoed Algonquin back in fall '07. What an amazing place and experience.
 
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gee said:
If you crossed the border in a canoe to go play in the woods, you're pretty much canadian.

I canoed Algonquin back in fall '07. What an amazing place and experience.
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This would be Minnesota boundary waters in the 80's.

Once in a while we'd get a Canadian coin in our pocket change. The lady up at the store would accept them for candy cigarettes, and later beer or Canadian Windsor. Or real cigarettes.
 
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APRIL said:
Good read. Clever, as people such as @Amstel would totally be on board with a law like this...
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Shit, until I followed the logic, I wouldn't have seen it. You state that outright and ask me with no time to reflect on it and I'd probably be for it.

At least, up until you told me who was responsible for it.

Fuck Rick Scott, that alien looking motherfucker.
 
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Floptical said:
I’m on board with it. I think it’s bs Congress is eligible for a pension after only 5 years.
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Looks like a decent way to do it to me.

According to a 2017 report from the Congressional Research Service, members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have served for at least five years. Members qualify for a pension at age 50 if they’ve completed 20 years of service, and members of any age can receive a pension after 25 years of service.

The size of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary.
 
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gee said:
No, socialism is "everyone pays their fair share into the government pot, government provides services to the public out of the pot", not "free shit for all"

Like, Canadian health care isn't free... I pay for it out of my taxes, and since I'm above the average national income, I pay more than most people into it. And I'm perfectly cool with that - it's there if I need it (and I've needed it) and there's a great satisfying piece of mind associated with knowing I'm not gonna get fucked with a medical bill if something horrible happens to me. There's no "well fuck I got cancer, do I decide between emptying my bank account to get treated and live the rest of my life in economic misery, or drop dead in X months because that way my kids might have a chance at college?" - you get your referral and get your shit taken care of and don't think twice about it.

I'd even argue it's more efficient and cheaper, because you don't have numerous layers of private hospitals, health insurance companies, etc... all taking their profit share and sharing that profit largely with a small group of rich assholes, adding more to the constant bleed of money from the middle class to the upper class that you can't deny is going on worldwide.

And I'm not exactly advocating for full scale USSR style commie socialism that sounds like a fairy tale but turns out miserable. I'm happy with how Canada's going, and the the Nordic countries, Germany etc have a pretty good thing going too and are kicking ass economically.
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Us too!
 
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Mr. Asa said:
Looks like a decent way to do it to me.

According to a 2017 report from the Congressional Research Service, members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have served for at least five years. Members qualify for a pension at age 50 if they’ve completed 20 years of service, and members of any age can receive a pension after 25 years of service.

The size of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary.
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No they should be on the same options as every other Govenment employee.
 
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HipHugHer said:
They should have the same options as every other low rent working stiff. It's supposed to be a public service not a career.
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It is pretty dam lucrative compared to the private sector for the 1 or 2 term person, less so as they serve more time *. But the $174k/yr plus benefits while serving is a bit much. imo.
From the article.
"under this formula(add:current) a retired congresswoman with 25 years of service will receive an annual pension of about $67,000. A single-term senator will receive an annual pension of less than $18,000 when they reach retirement age."

*Crap, I confused them with inmates.
 
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wetwille said:
It is pretty dam lucrative compared to the private sector for the 1 or 2 term person, less so as they serve more time *. But the $174k/yr plus benefits while serving is a bit much. imo.
From the article.
"under this formula(add:current) a retired congresswoman with 25 years of service will receive an annual pension of about $67,000. A single-term senator will receive an annual pension of less than $18,000 when they reach retirement age."

*Crap, I confused them with inmates.
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Should never be there that long in the first place and the pension shouldn't exist at all.

I'd be cool with the salary being whatever the national average is for one person, not a household (2 people working).


Everyone is dispensable. No one is irreplaceable. Go pull your shift, do your civic duty, and gtfo. Someone else can step in and do it just as good as you.
 
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HipHugHer said:
Should never be there that long in the first place and the pension shouldn't exist at all.

I'd be cool with the salary being whatever the national average is for one person, not a household (2 people working).


Everyone is dispensable. No one is irreplaceable. Go pull your shift, do your civic duty, and gtfo. Someone else can step in and do it just as good as you.
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I’m all for term limits of some kind but I don’t think anyone is going to be really good at government unless they spend a little time there. New congresspersons are always shocked to learn that half their days will be spent on a phone raising money. They even have a telemarketing center for them to work out of.

If we start implementing term limits and insisting on lower pay for politicians, it will become an undesirable position, no matter how strong the feeling of doing a civic duty is. We’d be better off trying to get money out of politics.

The 2020 campaigning has already started. Jeez.
 
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