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Here, have some Magic Hat.
It'll help.
I've worked in Security for my government for a number of years. We had our cameras on areas which covered other property all the time. We had on numerous occasions, the Metro Police and the Secret Service use our tapes for incidents that had happened not on or property.
Also, cameras being taken out doesn't matter. You could have had a plane fly nose first into a camera and still be able to retrieve the footage as the recording system in not normally into the same location as the camera. You should know this.
You either have not looked into this subject all that much, or you are purposely leaving out thing that weigh heavily on what you have just said. The FBI confiscated a lot of cameras right after the impact at the Pentagon.
I get the feeling that whatever jobs you've done don't really hold a candle to the amount of security in and around intelligence and military facilities in the DC area. Be prepared to be surprised because that's not the Pentagon before or after 2001. It's parking lots are not covered, which you can easily see on a satellite photo of the place. There are security cameras from the time you get off at that exit all the way up to any entrance to that building. There's cameras and security in case of foot traffic since US Route 1 is right there and there is often a lot of random foot traffic on that road. There's traffic cameras because of the horrendous backups that happen right around there every single day, which is incidentally why there were so many eye witnesses (they were all stuck in a traffic jam!). Inside the building is even more interesting. There's security from the time you get off the metro at the underground stop. If you are going into the building without credentials you must have an escort. You are told you will be recorded. You are interviewed and sent through a metal detector. Mind you, I haven't been to this building since 2001. Locked doors are not uncommon, but that's certainly not the largest level of security they have there. NSA is much the same way, and they've only stepped it up since 2001, just like everywhere else in the DC area. Now you get to go through a security check on your way into the Smithsonian, where they also have cameras everywhere, and this is a friggin museum, not the seat of power for our nation's defense. It certainly isn't like any random military base I've ever been to, which btw has had more security than what you are describing.
You are out of your lane. There are uncountable high security areas with no more security than a steel door and a biometric scanner. Frequently it's against policy to have any kind of recording devices in specific places.I get the feeling that whatever jobs you've done don't really hold a candle to the amount of security in and around intelligence and military facilities in the DC area. Be prepared to be surprised because that's not the Pentagon before or after 2001. It's parking lots are not covered, which you can easily see on a satellite photo of the place. There are security cameras from the time you get off at that exit all the way up to any entrance to that building. There's cameras and security in case of foot traffic since US Route 1 is right there and there is often a lot of random foot traffic on that road. There's traffic cameras because of the horrendous backups that happen right around there every single day, which is incidentally why there were so many eye witnesses (they were all stuck in a traffic jam!). Inside the building is even more interesting. There's security from the time you get off the metro at the underground stop. If you are going into the building without credentials you must have an escort. You are told you will be recorded. You are interviewed and sent through a metal detector. Mind you, I haven't been to this building since 2001. Locked doors are not uncommon, but that's certainly not the largest level of security they have there. NSA is much the same way, and they've only stepped it up since 2001, just like everywhere else in the DC area. Now you get to go through a security check on your way into the Smithsonian, where they also have cameras everywhere, and this is a friggin museum, not the seat of power for our nation's defense. It certainly isn't like any random military base I've ever been to, which btw has had more security than what you are describing.
This shit right here is what I'm talking about.I've worked extremely high level Intel sites my entire adult life and outside of a camera watching at the front 99% don't have any other external cameras because they rely o physical security. Prior to 9/11 90% of military locations were open with no security. You could drive through any Army base with no gate at all. They have zero internal cameras because they aren't allowed to. Trust me prior to 9/11 there wasn't crap at most places including the Pentagon. All you needed at most sites was a sticker on your window and a smile.
I'm not saying that I think this crap was rigged, I'm saying it would be a lot easier to swallow the 'official' story if there was some level of transparency going on here. The fact that people have asked these questions and the answers have all been along the lines of "we can't say" or "we won't say" kinda sucks. If it is as they say, why don't they release all the information they have since we know they have it? Wouldn't that offer some level of consolation to the people that lost their family members that day, not to mention all the rest of the people who were traumatized by it all? We see planes flying into the World Trade Towers over and over again and then we see the buildings collapsing and people running for their lives over and over again. We see footage of people throwing themselves from those buildings over and over again. Yet all we get of the over 80 confiscated video tapes from the pentagon area is 5 frames? What's up with that? I find it hard to believe that's all the video footage of this that there is. I'm pretty positive it was the plane that they said it was that hit the building, so why all the secrecy?
All this talk about security system at other locations is all moot. None of it proves anything one way or the other with regards to the footage that was or was not captured at the Pentagon on 9/11.
Why did WTC building 7 collapse it wasn't hit? Why were the WTC the only skyscrapers ever to collapse due to fire?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
You are out of your lane. There are uncountable high security areas with no more security than a steel door and a biometric scanner. Frequently it's against policy to have any kind of recording devices in specific places.
For the record: escorts are PHYSICAL security, metal detectors are PHYSICAL security so I'm not sure why you bothered pointing them out.
Cameras are surveillance, you are essentially arguing that we employ them as prevention/response devices and it's actually very rare to see them used that way. They are usually used for investigation (evidentiary, documentary) not proactive response. Typical use: pointed at average height of license plates to record all traffic through a gate, atypical use: pointed at wide swathes of real estate and/or actively monitored. Get where I'm going with this?
Don't tell me what I know or don't know.
This shit right here is what I'm talking about.
Force protection is different than VIP protection and the CIA is like a completely different culture.What I'm saying is that this is the level of security I experienced at the Pentagon prior to Sept 11, 2001. I was just painting the picture based on what what I know based on experience. I also happened upon security at the HMX-1 unit facilities in Quantico. There's a lot of surveillance cameras on that airstrip and in the hangers, not to mention the cameras on the street. I agree, before 2001 I could drive onto Aberdeen Proving Grounds or Fort Belvoir or even Fort Meade (home of NSA) without having anyone ask me questions at all as long as I didn't try to go anywhere I didn't belong. However, the security at the Pentagon and at Quantico was quite different presumably because of what/who was there. Certainly these places are unique. Langley and Goddard are the same way and have been for as long as I can remember (my dad worked there sometimes). Tightened security for these facilities isn't surprising at all in my eyes.
I finally found the group that got the FBI and DoD to release footage. I was wrong before, there is actually video from The Pentagon, a Citgo Gas Station, and a from a Doubletree Hotel. http://www.judicialwatch.org/Flight77 It never says "5 frames" sepcifically, which makes sense since video cameras are progressive scan, but just to do some ballpark math: cruising speed of 747 is 555 mph, that's 814ish feet per second, if the camera covered maybe a 100 foot wide strip and was running at 24p (which is fast for a security camera), it means the plane crossed the field of vision in less than 0.125 of a second-ish, .125 of 24 (frames) is 3 frames. So 5 frames would be A LOT of video actually.I can agree that cameras are for surveillance and used for investigation in most cases. I just want to know what the results of the investigation from all these cameras was. Even speed cameras attempt to take a picture of the whole car, license plate, and driver if possible and not just the license plate. I'm pointing out that I find it very hard to believe with all of the cameras I know for a fact to be in the area (military security and otherwise), I find it incredibly difficult to believe that all that was recorded of this incident was 5 frames. Heck, there were several recordings of the first plane hitting the World Trade Tower. If there was no more recorded, why don't they just say that? Why did they go around confiscating those 80 some tapes and in many cases they confiscated the camera that took footage (I have no idea why). Use these tapes for investigation and let us know what they came up with. Being secretive about and only letting the family members view the footage they have after signing a non-disclosure agreement seems a little extreme.
You can't control public information, when there is a choice between something being public knowledge and keeping something secret, no matter how stupid it is, keeping it secret is almost always the preferred choice. Not saying it's right, wrong, etc. that's just the way it is.If they are going under the guise of being appropriate based on the fact that people died, I'd like to stop seeing people jumping to their deaths in New York as well. I'd like to stop seeing those buildings fall and those people running in terror. I'd like to stop hearing the recorded 911 calls of the desperate people who were about to burn to death or be crushed by the building. I hate when I turn on the TV and am surprised by that delightful little reminder of a terrible day. It all just doesn't sit well with me.
Well this thread is going to shit with all the useless information ZRH is posting.
If anyone wants to discuss this subject properly, I'll be right here waiting.
I talked to a tactical operator who worked security for an outdoor vegetable market in Estonia, and he told me that tower 7 held all of Regis Philbin's hair products, and they just totally melted the support beams.
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