Amstel
The Hoarse Whisperer
nah. that just moves the goalposts to the next group.or if we killed all the white people
nah. that just moves the goalposts to the next group.or if we killed all the white people
Everyone is part of a marginalized group. That doesn't mean we should just say fuck it, oh well.
well, no. not everyone's part of a marginalized group. at least not dealing with any significant marginalization
There are plenty of options to be marginalized for every one of the items that you listed, and more. However, I think we're moving the goalposts here.well, no. not everyone's part of a marginalized group. at least not dealing with any significant marginalization
straight, white, male, middle class American? atheists are a bit marginalized but very few suffer any kind of active discrimination. besides, that's a choice whereas ones gender identity, sexual orientation, or race aren't. there are plenty of people who suffer more for who they are than I suffer for what I believe
No one is saying fuck it, oh well. Talking about it requires context for the conversation. You can't teach people to be nice to each other about all of these differences by pretending none of them have names.
I think I'm gonna go with wombat from here on out.I am not a man, I am not a woman. I'm not straight. I'm not gay. I'm not Cis or Bi or Fluid or Trans or a wombat. I'm not white or black or Mexican or Chinese or Greek or smurf or swamp monster. I am me. I am unique. I am Fly.
There are plenty of options to be marginalized for every one of the items that you listed, and more. However, I think we're moving the goalposts here.
Also, atheism isn't a choice.
Straight white middle class American males are becoming more and more ostracized though, due to "political correctness". Instead of promoting other races and genders, society is bringing the white man down to their level. So instead of everyone having the same advantages, society would rather make everyone have the same disadvantages. That's what is happening.well, no. not everyone's part of a marginalized group. at least not dealing with any significant marginalization
straight, white, male, middle class American? atheists are a bit marginalized but very few suffer any kind of active discrimination. besides, that's a choice whereas ones gender identity, sexual orientation, or race aren't. there are plenty of people who suffer more for who they are than I suffer for what I believe
No one is saying fuck it, oh well. Talking about it requires context for the conversation. You can't teach people to be nice to each other about all of these differences by pretending none of them have names.
You could say the same about gender or sexual orientation.the likelihood of any of those traits experiencing marginalization is very small compared to people who don't fit the normal archetype that american culture has been catered toward for two hundred years
of course atheism is a choice. if you lived in a bubble where you had never heard of any religions and you weren't influenced by a culture that has a de facto religion then sure you could say it's not a choice. but at some point in your life you must have drawn the conclusion that none of the religious stuff was for you and thus chose to either remain without religion or leave it, whichever applies
when I say significant I mean widespread. what happens to an individual can be very significant even if it's not happening to the entire group. but per capita people who are straight, white, middle class American males will experience those problems less often than pretty much anyone not fitting that moldthe individuals personal definition of 'significant' determines that. & for all practical purposes, it's 'fluid.'
So you're shitting on my marginalization because it doesn't meet your bar. Good work.the likelihood of any of those traits experiencing marginalization is very small compared to people who don't fit the normal archetype that american culture has been catered toward for two hundred years
of course atheism is a choice. if you lived in a bubble where you had never heard of any religions and you weren't influenced by a culture that has a de facto religion then sure you could say it's not a choice. but at some point in your life you must have drawn the conclusion that none of the religious stuff was for you and thus chose to either remain without religion or leave it, whichever applies
You could say the same about gender or sexual orientation.
So you're shitting on my marginalization because it doesn't meet your bar. Good work.
when I say significant I mean widespread. what happens to an individual can be very significant even if it's not happening to the entire group. but per capita people who are straight, white, middle class American males will experience those problems less often than pretty much anyone not fitting that mold
And in some cases, nether is religion. I could tell you stories of feeling like an outcast in a Lutheran school as a child in the 4th grade because I didn't feel like I belonged in a school full of believers. But that won't help your argument and you probably don't want to hear it anyway.I could and I'd be arguing against a lot of pretty well established science that makes it pretty clear neither sexual orientation nor gender are conscious decisions
And in some cases, nether is religion. I could tell you stories of feeling like an outcast in a Lutheran school as a child in the 4th grade because I didn't feel like I belonged in a school full of believers. But that won't help your argument and you probably don't want to hear it anyway.
I think that's a horrible thing to say, but we've gotten off track. Building new walls of identity helps no one. Defining what's different about people brings out the most disgusting parts of humanity. Think of the greater good of them not existing at all.i clarified for amstel
it's not shitting on whatever you personally have faced, it's pointing out that the odds of someone who fits into our mold is going to face marginalization is very low
Straight white middle class American males are becoming more and more ostracized though, due to "political correctness". Instead of promoting other races and genders, society is bringing the white man down to their level. So instead of everyone having the same advantages, society would rather make everyone have the same disadvantages. That's what is happening.
Defining what's different about people brings out the most disgusting parts of humanity.
It wasn't a choice.of course it would help my argument, it's absolutely applicable
but now that you're an adult you can make the choice not to believe in the religion. someone who gets indoctrinated deeply into it might have less of a choice as a child