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Sarcasmo

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Who cares? If all the Christians, who are the vast majority of the students there, wish to have a prayer, so be it. He knew what would happen if he kicked that hornet's nest, and he kicked it anyway. It's called accountability. A little humility and compromise can go a long way in this life.

And no, I'm not concerned with the constitutional argument. Let those people do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Instead of being terrified of religion and compelled to be a wet blanket, maybe just suck it up for a day and let those kids have their moment.

One thing about America is true, people here blow things so fucking far out of proportion that everything becomes a horrible travesty. EVERYONE must have special treatment no matter how huge or insignificant their interests. No one is interested in laissez faire, only their own ego.

People need to learn to shut the fuck up both ways. Kids praying at a graduation ceremony is not an encroachment upon the rights of others to be free of the threat of the national establishment or promotion of a religion, and anyone who thinks it is is a moron.
 

OzSTEEZ

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Who cares? If all the Christians, who are the vast majority of the students there, wish to have a prayer, so be it. He knew what would happen if he kicked that hornet's nest, and he kicked it anyway. It's called accountability. A little humility and compromise can go a long way in this life.

And no, I'm not concerned with the constitutional argument. Let those people do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Instead of being terrified of religion and compelled to be a wet blanket, maybe just suck it up for a day and let those kids have their moment.

One thing about America is true, people here blow things so fucking far out of proportion that everything becomes a horrible travesty. EVERYONE must have special treatment no matter how huge or insignificant their interests. No one is interested in laissez faire, only their own ego.

People need to learn to shut the fuck up both ways. Kids praying at a graduation ceremony is not an encroachment upon the rights of others to be free of the threat of the national establishment or promotion of a religion, and anyone who thinks it is is a moron.


Wow. There's no horrible travesty. Just bullshit like I said. Seems like you are the one blowing this up by giving it a more sensational label. Also the whole terrified of religion thing, lol that's depicted where? When a kids sees a law being broken and speaks out about it? He did it because he's terrified of religion? Nah, he's not terrified of it at all. Again that's just you being sensational. Special treatment? The only people getting special treatment here is the christians of are being allowed to break the law.

The article states that if people want to pray at school, then have at it. They just have a problem with the school sponsoring it. In doing this they are indulging a single religion only. All other religions are left out. The US constitution is supposed to keep the playing field level, this is doing just the opposite.
 

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Yep, I'm being sensational. "More bullsh*t by Christians! Sound the alarm!" :lol:

Again, where's the harm in ignoring it and letting the kids have their prayer? Why is this a "constitutional" issue? How is the playing field no longer level when proud kids want to incorporate a prayer into the biggest moment in their lives to date? Why couldn't the kid shut the f*ck up about it? Because he wasn't being benevolent. He was being arrogant. He wanted to rain on someone's religious parade because he's an atheist and he jumped at the opportunity to do so. "Oh noes! Jesusfolk be breakin the law! Time for some noise!"

It's the same bullsh*t zealous religious people pull when they see or hear someone doing something that goes against their beliefs. They immediately jump in to "right the wrong" and be a superhero. It's ego. Plain and simple.

This kid could've shrugged and gone about his way. The prayer wouldn't have harmed him in any way and it wouldn't have degraded the fabric of our American society. But that's not what happened. And he got his ass handed to him. Right or wrong.

Sleep = not lost over this.
 

OzSTEEZ

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Yep, I'm being sensational. "More bullsh*t by Christians! Sound the alarm!" :lol:

Again, where's the harm in ignoring it and letting the kids have their prayer? Why is this a "constitutional" issue? How is the playing field no longer level when proud kids want to incorporate a prayer into the biggest moment in their lives to date? Why couldn't the kid shut the f*ck up about it? Because he wasn't being benevolent. He was being arrogant. He wanted to rain on someone's religious parade because he's an atheist and he jumped at the opportunity to do so. "Oh noes! Jesusfolk be breakin the law! Time for some noise!"

It's the same bullsh*t zealous religious people pull when they see or hear someone doing something that goes against their beliefs. They immediately jump in to "right the wrong" and be a superhero. It's ego. Plain and simple.

This kid could've shrugged and gone about his way. The prayer wouldn't have harmed him in any way and it wouldn't have degraded the fabric of our American society. But that's not what happened. And he got his ass handed to him. Right or wrong.

Sleep = not lost over this.


There you go again. "sound the alarm!".. you consistently keep adding sensationalism!

Harm? Public promotion of a single religion is harmful to people of other religions as it ostracizes them.

Why is it Constitutional? Wake the fuck up.

Religion beliefs do not equal nor trump law.

Yeah the kid could have been like you and not given a shit, but he did. And now you are making a huge deal out of the kid caring about a law over how the kid was treated for doing so.
 

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There you go again. "sound the alarm!".. you consistently keep adding sensationalism!

Harm? Public promotion of a single religion is harmful to people of other religions as it ostracizes them.

Why is it Constitutional? Wake the f*ck up.

Religion beliefs do not equal nor trump law.

Yeah the kid could have been like you and not given a sh*t, but he did. And now you are making a huge deal out of the kid caring about a law over how the kid was treated for doing so.

Nope. There was no "public promotion of a single religion" here. There was simply the acquiescence of a school to allow kids to pray. As they wanted to, and ultimately did. Again, why is the constitution being dragged into this? Because atheists want shock and outrage and they want this to be a national issue. The same reason you posted it here. They want to inflict their own beliefs (or lack of them) on others while waving (ironically, in your case) a patriotic flag of tolerance. "Do it for America! Even though I hate America." He was not merely "caring about a law" and you know it. Get over that wholly bullshit angle. I'd buy that argument if he were a Christian, Jew, or Muslim, not an atheist. He's probably a douche.

The only thing more obnoxious than the majority telling me how to live is the minority telling me how to live. At least the majority represents the desires of most people. That's easier to understand and swallow. If 90% of people want to do something, let them do it. Shut up about it, and go on with your life. The minority just comes across as self-righteous pricks when they do it. It's like someone at a party insisting on playing ABBA when everyone else wants to listen to Lady Gaga.
 
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Nope. There was no "public promotion of a single religion" here. There was simply the acquiescence of a school to allow kids to pray. As they wanted to, and ultimately did. Again, why is the constitution being dragged into this? Because atheists want shock and outrage and they want this to be a national issue. The same reason you posted it here. They want to inflict their own beliefs (or lack of them) on others while waving (ironically, in your case) a patriotic flag of tolerance. "Do it for America! Even though I hate America." He was not merely "caring about a law" and you know it. Get over that wholly bullshit angle. I'd buy that argument if he were a Christian, Jew, or Muslim, not an atheist. He's probably a douche.

The only thing more obnoxious than the majority telling me how to live is the minority telling me how to live. At least the majority represents the desires of most people. That's easier to understand and swallow. If 90% of people want to do something, let them do it. Shut up about it, and go on with your life. The minority just comes across as self-righteous pricks when they do it. It's like someone at a party insisting on playing ABBA when everyone else wants to listen to Lady Gaga.

Hey, once they hear dancing queen they'll know i was right and they are all idiots.
 

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Well this is an interesting study

A new report commissioned by the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops has kindly concluded that gay priests were not the cause of the explosion of child abuse cases that has, you should pardon the expression, bedeviled the Church over the past several decades. In fact, echoing the argument gay activists have made forever, the study found that more openness among gay priests is actually one of the reason reports of abuse have been declining.

But that hasn’t stopped the congregants in the far right pews of the Church from insisting that it’s still all our fault.

The study, 300 pages and five years in the making, was undertaken by researchers at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. In a case of the fox paying for an investigation into the hen house break-in, the Church anted up half the $1.8 million needed for the study. As might be expected given the funding source, the report reaches a number of unusual conclusions, including the fact that a vanishingly small number of priests were actually pedophiles—just four percent of all the priests convicted of child abuse—a statistic arrived at by defining pedophilia as attraction to children aged 10 or younger. Or, in other words, by using a definition no one else uses.

But the report also dismissed the canard that the scandal had anything to do with gay priests. In fact, it says, gay priests were part of the solution to the problem. It directly correlates rise in the number of gay priests starting in the 1970s to “a decreased incidence of abuse—not an increased incidence of abuse.” Funny, we could have told them that and the church could have used the $2 million to recruit more gay priests and cut down on child abuse in the church!

Needless to say, that conclusion did not set well with that segment of the Church that seems to miss the good old days of the Inquisition. William Donohue, the one-man band behind the ultraconservative Catholic League, told The New York Times that “the authors go through all sorts of contortions to deny the obvious – that obviously, homosexuality was at work.” George Weigel wrote in the National Review online that the conclusion smacked of “clinicians ideologically committed to the notion that there is nothing necessarily destructive about same-sex behaviors.” As opposed to far right activists ideologically, and nonsensically, committed to destructive prejudices about homosexuality!

So why did priests abuse children? The report claims opportunity, for starters. If most of the victims were male, that’s because the Church has very few roles for female minors. Aha, sexism is partly to blame! Now we are getting somewhere! Also, the report insists that priests were somehow confused, by the sexual revolution, an idea that has been called the “Blame Woodstock” defense. Nothing like shifting cultural norms to make you want to go out and abuse a minor, apparently. The idea that sexual liberation actually would not only inspire adults to a healthy open sexuality but kids to report their abuse was apparently lost on the researchers.

In any case, according to study researcher Karen Terry, “the problem is largely historical” and consistent with patterns of increased deviance in society” in the 1960s and 1970s. As for the bishops who made a parlor game out of reassigning clerical abusers to new parishes to cover up past offenses (also the officials funding the story), they largely get off the hook. In fact, the report goes out of its way to praise the hierarchy, even though it closed the barn doors decades late and only after it had been forced to by a small army of victims who went public. When it comes to reports, you get what you pay for.

Of course, the main issue that has gone unaddressed is why this happens in clerical settings when it doesn’t happen in openly gay ones. For one, the Church didn’t have guidelines in place decades ago for interactions between priests and minors. Gay groups have been far more scrupulous—dare we say moral—about instituting guidelines to protect minors from being preyed upon.

But never let it be said that the Church could actually learn a thing or two from a group that it likes to characterize as intrinsically evil.
 

OzSTEEZ

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Nope. There was no "public promotion of a single religion" here. There was simply the acquiescence of a school to allow kids to pray. As they wanted to, and ultimately did. Again, why is the constitution being dragged into this? Because atheists want shock and outrage and they want this to be a national issue. The same reason you posted it here. They want to inflict their own beliefs (or lack of them) on others while waving (ironically, in your case) a patriotic flag of tolerance. "Do it for America! Even though I hate America."

The only thing more obnoxious than the majority telling me how to live is the minority telling me how to live. At least the majority represents the desires of most people. That's easier to understand and swallow. If 90% of people want to do something, let them do it. Shut up about it, and go on with your life. The minority just comes across as self-righteous pricks when they do it. It's like someone at a party insisting on playing ABBA when everyone else wants to listen to Lady Gaga.

Yeah there was a public promotion of a single religion. It's not just a "hey kids, now we give you 15 minutes to do some praying, annnnnnnnd go!". Now it's not like that. It's done in group.

Dude go learn the fucking constitution for fuck's sake.

I want people against this, not outraged (that's just your usual sensationalism) because it's a slap in the face of the constitution.

I've said time and time again, that I hate the country meaning the people, but I love the constitution.

You don't like people telling you how to live? Then you must fucking hate religion.. oh wait, you don't. I guess you are full of shit then.
 

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If I was the kid, id sue everyone involved for violation of my constitutional rights. Walk away with a few million laughing the whole way.
 

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