Thread Article: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us

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Morning Boehner
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess your parents could read and value education? You probably also had books in your house?

1 in 3 children in the UK have no books in their house. Their parents do not instill the value of education and so it is wasted. Do you blame the kids for this? Do they have much of a choice in every case? Not really.

Many of my friends are English teachers. They educate 11-16yr olds and do not take it for granted that kids can read or write at any kind of decent or literate level anymore. In short, you are privileged your parents valued reading and had books accesable for you. You're more privilged in that area than 3 out every 10 kids in the UK.

I think you hit the nail on the head here, middle class families value education. Our lower class subculture typically doesn't, going so far as to make fun of kids who DO try to learn. This isn't something you fix with entitlements...
 

Amstel

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you're a whore, but in a good way. Kindof.
Once oppressed? :lol:

Which is why when you go on US sites and there's a photo of a black person the same comments and slurs come up time and time again. But hey, oppression only means slavery, right?
Because we all know anytime anyone says anything to a black person it's oppressive to them. But making those same comments to a white person, OH, that's free speech. boo fucking hoo.
 

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Morning Boehner
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Once oppressed? :lol:

Which is why when you go on US sites and there's a photo of a black person the same comments and slurs come up time and time again. But hey, oppression only means slavery, right?

OMG there's trolls on the internet?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WHAT?!?!?!

They were oppressed way past slavery, up until the 1960s. Probably sucked to be black in the 70's and to a lesser extent the 80's, the 90s were a lot better, it's a non issue for anyone under 30, and barely an issue for anyone under 40.
 

Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski

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I think you hit the nail on the head here, middle class families value education. Our lower class subculture typically doesn't, going so far as to make fun of kids who DO try to learn. This isn't something you fix with entitlements...

I'm not sold on the idea that taking away 'entitlements' is productive either in many cases. Many of these people are not like this through lack of trying, many people try hard as hell to get their kids a decent education and the system grinds them down. There was a doc on netflix recently (Waiting for Superman) following people in poor districts of NYC trying their best to get their kids into a decent school where they wouldn't be 'left behind'. It's quite heartbreaking in many respects.

There's an attitude both in the US and the UK that people WANT to live like this, that people honestly believe they don't want to better themselves and don't want what is best for their kids, but this isn't the majority like people pretend, most people do want better and they try and try and things don't always work out. It's a mixture of people who do care, people who don't care, and many people who are so broken down by the system and worn out that they're apathetic and give up which you can't blame them for, everyone has different ways of dealing and not everyone is able to cope with immense pressures and rejection.

Everytime there is a recession this idea of the 'undeserved' and 'deserving' poor is on the front of all media sources and for a simple reasona - they dont' want people looking up, they want them looking down and blaming those who are poorer instead of those who are richer. While you're busy moaning about those good for nothings who economically are quite insubstantial, you're not paying attention to the blind robbery that goes on among the super rich.
 
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TuhMollie

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ive been poor and super privileged. ive been on both sides of the fence. being rich pwns by the way..
now I'm not riiich and im certainly not poor... im just meh and im ok with that.
 

JAXvillain

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Now show me the 1967, and 87. Blacks were once oppressed in our country, and a lot of them have come a long ways since then. Some still have a long ways to go. Can't fix it all overnight... and entitlements only creates dependency.

Hey, look at those people drowning! I'm sure they'll figure out howw to swim before it's too late.
 

Sarcasmo

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We were arguing privilege. If you are statistically twice as likely to be born into poverty based on being a certain race, then you don't have that privilege. I don't deny people have struggled and succeeded, what I have disagreed with ITT is people pretending that this can be the case for everybody if they try hard enough. Because it's not true.

Why can't it be the case for everyone? Why can't hard work and struggle better everyone?
 

Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski

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Why can't it be the case for everyone? Why can't hard work and struggle better everyone?

Really?

Because not everyone is the same. :confused:

I know people who can deal with immense pressure and struggle, and those who can't. I don't think one is better than the other, they're just different. I know people who have immeasurably horrible lives who have overcome it and go on to be great, and I know people in similar situations who have fallen through the cracks. Not everyone makes the same choices, nor are they capable of. Not everyone can overcome every challenge in life or 'get over it'. Life isn't that simple.
 

Mr. Argumentor

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The people who might have issues are black people who may have caught the tale end of the 70s.
You've never seen a white person call a black guy "nigger" before, have you? It's a horrible thing, it's horrible seeing what it does to the black guy, it's horrible seeing the hate in the white guy's eyes.

You're deluded if you think oppression went out in the 70s.
 

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Morning Boehner
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Hey, look at those people drowning! I'm sure they'll figure out howw to swim before it's too late.

And instead lets make them dependent on handouts so they never have to learn to swim?

I'm not against welfare, food stamps, or other safety nets, but that whole system is just as fucked as our healthcare. You guys are basically saying we should support these people indefinitely because they had shitty upbringings.
 

Sarcasmo

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Really?

Because not everyone is the same. :confused:

I know people who can deal with immense pressure and struggle, and those who can't. I don't think one is better than the other, they're just different. I know people who have immeasurably horrible lives who have overcome it and go on to be great, and I know people in similar situations who have fallen through the cracks. Not everyone makes the same choices, nor are they capable of. Not everyone can overcome every challenge in life or 'get over it'. Life isn't that simple.

So your argument is an individual one more than a racial one. That's my question. Some people have intellectual or emotional barriers, but those aren't race specific.
 

Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski

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And instead lets make them dependent on handouts so they never have to learn to swim?

I'm not against welfare, food stamps, or other safety nets, but that whole system is just as fucked as our healthcare. You guys are basically saying we should support these people indefinitely because they had shitty upbringings.

Which post said this?
 

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Morning Boehner
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You've never seen a white person call a black guy "nigger" before, have you? It's a horrible thing, it's horrible seeing what it does to the black guy, it's horrible seeing the hate in the white guy's eyes.

You're deluded if you think oppression went out in the 70s.

No but it's been on a downhill slide ever since then. Face it, it's just not an issue with the younger generations.