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Ontopic To piggyback on the gun thread, why don't the prisons work?

Discussion in 'useless chatter' started by Mr. Asa, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. fixt
     
  2. thats the problem i have with mine. Works wonderfully outside the car. Inside the car? works 10% of the time maybe, even when im yelling at it 5 inches from my mouth
     
  3. why are you guys posting while driving
     
  4. April does everything while driving. She waits till she's behind the wheel to do her nails.
     
  5. You're pointing out isolated incidents of things gone bad. I could point to africa and say its better than most of that shit they got going on. or at least it's not a mexican prison... how many people want to go back to a mexican prison?

    I have very limited time in prisons and jails and the people seem bored out of their minds more than anything else. (Work related)
     
  6. Do you honestly think your experience is sufficient to determine what it's like being in prison? Did you question the inmates and evaluate their response or is it just casual observation you're basing your judgement on? Read the link i posted and either accept that your impressions aren't representative or argue about the veracity of the story in the link. I find it believable TBH.
     
  7. I have. The guy was bored, and the prisoners made it horrible. Think guards beat guys to death for being awesome inmates? I'm sure something sparked the beat down every time... not condoning it, but it still goes back to the people. There's a reason people aren't beat to death in a county jail... it's a bunch of frat boys doing time for drinking while driving and overall not causing any trouble, not "digging a well" in fellow frat boys, or whatever else. OTHER PRISONERS MAKE PRISON SUCK. he even says other prisoners make the place smell bad.
     
  8. What's your point? That if you end up in such a prison then whatever happens to you is OK? and it's also OK that you are unlikely to ever have a chance of a decent life thereafter?

    " Think guards beat guys to death for being awesome inmates? "
    That IMHO makes the guards worse than half the people in the fucking jail. You can't beat a prisoner to death then claim it was their fault FFS. Prison is brutal and makes people worse not better. that is not a good result for society because eventually you have to let these denigrated people out and guess what, you have made them an even bigger problem for society. that isn't smart.
     
  9. My ENTIRE point is, how do you make prisons better when it's the PRISONERS making them shit holes? How do you improve that? Danish prisoners are simply a better cast of people than our prisoners.

    And I don't disagree on the guards, but the guards don't make the prisons horrible they just add to the suck factor because they're pissed off they gotta deal with these people all day long too for meager pay and the chance of getting mobbed and killed themselves.

    Also, from your thread, the guy says: "After 18 months, I felt like I had the whole prison kick down. I felt like I belonged. New guys looked up to me, like someone who'd seen shit and made it through. As I scaled back on my pretty huge habit, I started to get this kind of zen calm about incarceration, and I liked to think I helped a few guys through their first weeks."

    Which goes back to my original post, some people can get used to it and feel like it's better than being on the outside. This guy obviously wanted out because there were a lot of things he still wanted to do in life, but he freely admits he got used to being on the inside.
     
  10. #70 Mr. Asa, Jan 17, 2013
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2013
    Alrighty! Let's do this.
    Mainstream rappers who have never been to prison
    Eminem
    Jay-Z
    Nas
    Ludacris
    Big Boi and Andre 3000 of Outkast
    Wiz Kahlifa
    Rick Ross
    Juicy J
    Drake
    Nicki Minaj
    LL Cool J
    Chuck D of Public Enemy (remember when they were last relevant? even back then there were popular rappers staying out of prison!)
    Ice Cube

    In fact, most of these guys will openly mock someone stupid enough to get imprisoned

    But yeah, keep perpetuating a belief that (if it ever actually was true) has been out of date for literally a generation of music.


    Yeah, the only real difference is in the people!
    And how our culture treats the people
    And how the Corrections Officers treat the people
    And how our laws treat the people

    In a majority of states felons can't vote, serve in office, or serve on a jury. This is awesome as it means that the people most affected by felony convictions cannot change punishments, or help prevent someone from going to prison if there is not enough reasonable doubt. A study from '98 showed that in 12 states 30-40 percent of all black males in those states would permanently lose their right to vote.
    Felons cannot own firearms (you might be able to regain that right, but from a practical standpoint, you won't). Once again, this fucking rocks, because those that are trying to get on the straight and narrow now can't defend themselves!
    Depending on the conviction, FAFSA grants and scholarships are denied to felons. Fuck those assholes, they damn sure don't need to better themselves, they're just going to go back to jail. You know, because they haven't bettered themselves because they're worthless felons.
    It is hard for a felon to get a job, who wants to give one of those people a chance?
    Depending on the felony, you may not be able to leave the country as there might not be a country that will allow you entry.
    Food Stamps and other public assistance are denied in most states
    Mental health issues a significant amount of prisoners have issues severe enough to require medication.

    Here is a brief list of Corrections Officers using excessive force.
    http://www.aele.org/law/Digests/jail95.html


    Literally every facet of our culture shows that prisoners are horrible human beings, so everyone treats them as such, including corrections officers and other prisoners


    Blah blah. Yackity smackity, I'm bored with this
     
  11. Let me note, this is a small list of rappers that I thought might not be in jail, I verified with google, but did not go looking for a greater list.
     
  12. ^ I don't think anyone's arguing how felons are treated after serving their sentence is bullshit. And it farther strengthens my point that prison might seem like a better option than being on the outside to some.
     
  13. Just because theyve never been to jail doesnt mean they dont glorify it in their music
    Hell, Johnny Cash was never in prison, but sang all about it in his music.
     
  14. VANILLA ICE LOST HIS CAREER WHEN THEY FOUND OUT HE WASN'T A STREET THUG
     
  15. I'm planning on doing my taxes while driving this year. Need to save time.
     
  16. But... they don't glorify it... as I said, most of them mock other rappers in jail.
     
  17. I don't think I am. A quick google search will result in tons of articles about the poor conditions in US prisons. Also, jails are different from prisons. Also, I don't know anything about mexican prisons and last time I checked there are still tons of criminals in Mexico so it must not be that much of a deterrent. I'm not arguing that prisoners themselves don't add to the problem, but I definitely don't think it's the only problem.
     
  18. I did not even comment on the incidence of rape, but did you even look at how many cases of excessive force by C.O.s are in one small source?

    But hey, other than those I guess some people like not having any connections with their loved ones
     
  19. You act as if everyone has loved ones...

    Read the thread DB linked that I keep getting told to read. The guy states allot of those guys in there are family, or they grew up used to the idea because their dad was in prison, etc... I think for allot of inmates it's second nature.

    For the likes of me and you it would be torture.
     
  20. #80 b_sinning, Jan 18, 2013
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2013
    How many of those still have pushed the Thug mentality for street cred and have been arrested or in the major news tied to violence at clubs or in their regular life? (This is just listing only 1 of the several arrest for these individuals. They just have good lawyers and people short memories)

    Eminem
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/music/eminem

    Jay-Z
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/music/jay-z

    Nas
    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nas-arrested-for-assault-20031218

    Ludacris
    http://fredonialeader.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/rapper-arrests-trending/

    Big Boi
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/07/big-boi-arrested-on-drug-charges_n_920570.html

    Andre 3000
    http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/30/andre-3000-arrested-for-being-fastest-rapper-alive/

    Wiz Kahlifa
    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1651809/wiz-khalifa-arrested-on-drug-charges.jhtml

    Rick Ross
    http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/03/rick-ross-arrested-on-marijuana-charges/


    Ice Cube says he was a drug dealer.



    Do I need to keep going or are you seeing a trend yet. Great role models. Yes some of the incidents listed are basic pot charges but they are usually with guns and after some sort of violent act. I like several of these acts but you can't seriously say they don't act like thugs some of the time.



    http://www.ranker.com/list/rappers-in-prison-complete-list-of-rappers-in-jail/whatevayoulike