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Morning Boehner
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You ever been laid off and offered a severance package?

Nope. Non disclosure agreements effect a bussiness, what you do in your own time doesn't. it's the same as making a person sign a piece of paper saying they won't drink or do over the counter prescriptions, or get an abortion or something.
 

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I was more referring to them putting stuff in about what you can and can't do in your non-work hours, assuming those activites are legal of course.

What do you think the drug test is doing to me??? It tells me that I can't do drugs on off hours. Its totally legal for my company to do that. Again, if I didn't like it, I don't have to work here...
 

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Nope. Non disclosure agreements effect a bussiness, what you do in your own time doesn't. it's the same as making a person sign a piece of paper saying they won't drink or do over the counter prescriptions, or get an abortion or something.

I wouldn't be too sure of that.
 

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Drugs are illegal though.

So? They test for alcohol too.

There are tons of things your company can limit you from doing outside of work. Some companies restrict people from speaking to the press. That's not illegal. And if you don't like it, don't work there...
 

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The NFL can limit you from sending lewd penis pics to other people involved in the biz...

oh, wait...
 

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Your company tests for alcohol?

Speaking to the press could effect your company, so could sending penis pictures if you are in a high profile position. a normal person doing legal stuff on their own time would have no effect on a bussiness, and they would have a helluva time proving it would. enter discrimination lawsuits.
 
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Your company tests for alcohol?

Speaking to the press could effect your company, so could sending penis pictures if you are in a high profile position. a normal person doing legal stuff on their own time would have no effect on a bussiness, and they would have a helluva time proving it would. enter discrimination lawsuits.

Being a raging alcoholic could have a terrible effect on your company.

edit: And as long as it isn't something listed under EOE, I'm pretty sure you CAN discriminate anyway. No?
 

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Your company tests for alcohol?

Speaking to the press could effect your company, so could sending penis pictures if you are in a high profile position. a normal person doing legal stuff on their own time would have no effect on a bussiness, and they would have a helluva time proving it would. enter discrimination lawsuits.

Yes I think this is the key point. If someone is doing something legal in their own time and there's no provable effect on the business or the person's performance at work, a company should not be able to legally enforce that person to act in a certain way. Stating that employees can't drink or smoke on their own time is ludicrous (assuming of course the person doesn't show up blind drunk/hungover every day, but then that would be a case where the negative impact on the business would be pretty obvious).

Fly: yes you're right people can choose to work elsewhere if they don't like the conditions in a contract, my point was however that certain clauses companies put in a contract may not stand up to legal scrutiny so a person shouldn't be forced to look elsewhere...
 

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Yes I think this is the key point. If someone is doing something legal in their own time and there's no provable effect on the business or the person's performance at work, a company should not be able to legally enforce that person to act in a certain way. Stating that employees can't drink or smoke on their own time is ludicrous (assuming of course the person doesn't show up blind drunk/hungover every day, but then that would be a case where the negative impact on the business would be pretty obvious).

Fly: yes you're right people can choose to work elsewhere if they don't like the conditions in a contract, my point was however that certain clauses companies put in a contract may not stand up to legal scrutiny so a person shouldn't be forced to look elsewhere...

People have gotten fired for what they posted on Facebook. Even when posted outside of company hours and outside of company property.
 

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People have gotten fired for what they posted on Facebook. Even when posted outside of company hours and outside of company property.

yea, what did they post and how did it negatively effect their company? i'm sure the company was like "OH WE HAVE A NO FACEBOOK POLICY AND HR NOTICED YOU HAD AN ACCOUNT AND COMMENTED ON SOME CHICKS PICTURE ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S HAVING AN AWESOME TIME ON VACATION. YOU'RE FIRED."
 

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yea, what did they post and how did it negatively effect their company? i'm sure the company was like "OH WE HAVE A NO FACEBOOK POLICY AND HR NOTICED YOU HAD AN ACCOUNT AND COMMENTED ON SOME CHICKS PICTURE ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S HAVING AN AWESOME TIME ON VACATION. YOU'RE FIRED."

What about the NPR guy that just got fired for saying that Muslims on airplanes make him nervous? Is THAT discrimination?
 

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What about the NPR guy that just got fired for saying that Muslims on airplanes make him nervous? Is THAT discrimination?

that would go back to the high profile thing where comments and actions could have a negative impact on the company, in this case, NPR.

he probably still walked away with a good chunk of money.
 

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I assume you mean when someone is slagging off their boss/company on there and it's a matter of public record?

People have been fired saying they hate their job. Even if they don't mention where they work, mention any boss names or anything like that.
 

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I love when idiots take the day off work then post on facebook something along the lines of "LOL MY MANAGER IS SO DUMBB I JUST TOOK THE DAY OFF AND IM NOT EVEN SICK LOL". Those idiots deserve to get fired.