BIG controversy over Obama's speech to kids

Yeah. I'm so with you. The fact that we were justified in exterminating the indians to allow for the american manifest destiny, or that the civil was was all about slavery, or that the american military is only used for the right reasons, these are all the correct lessons my teachers taught me.

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:lol: truuuuuuuuu
 
good god, this thread is not helping my hangover.

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Meh, nothing objectionable, though I have always despised his public speaking cause it follows a pretty clear template: lots of verbs about action and doing stuff -> someone/thing is preventing me from doing those things -> I had a bad chilhood -> black powar.
 

So, what? Because there was an issue raised by democrats in office EIGHTEEN YEARS and FOUR PRESIDENTIAL TERMS ago, we should be good with all this lame ass rhetorical bullshit the right is spewing out now about Obama making this a political agenda stage?

Hard to tell even what point you are making, because just a link and no explanation is a tool we have seen used around here too many times, amazingly, by right wing posters.
 
I wonder if Obama's speech will be anything like Reagan's speech.

November 14, 1988. Reagan addresses and accepts questions from students of four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building.

Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.

During the question-and-answer portion of the event, Reagan returned to the topic, this time telling the students that lowering taxes increases revenue:

Q: My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?


PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government. And what we have found is that at the lower rates the government gets more revenue, there are more people paying taxes because there are more people with jobs and there are more people willing to earn more money because they get to keep a bigger share of it, so today, we're getting more revenue at the lower rates than we were at the higher. And do you know something? I studied economics in college when I was young and I learned there about a man named Ibn Khaldun, who lived 1200 years ago in Egypt. And 1200 years ago he said, in the beginning of the empire, the rates were low, the tax rates were low, but the revenue was great. He said in the end of empire, when the empire was collapsing, the rates were great and the revenue was low.
 
I do to, but I want the option to disagree and be sure the teachers aren't pushing something besides an encouraging message to love your country, work hard, obey your parents, get good grades and stay in school. I would like to know the content of what will be said to them.
that's preposterous. you can't even begin to shelter your child to that extent. it's a big world out there. you have to prepare them to be critical thinkers, not to take everything said to them at face value.
 
So, what? Because there was an issue raised by democrats in office EIGHTEEN YEARS and FOUR PRESIDENTIAL TERMS ago, we should be good with all this lame ass rhetorical bullshit the right is spewing out now about Obama making this a political agenda stage? yep.

Hard to tell even what point you are making, because just a link and no explanation is a tool we have seen used around here too many times, amazingly, by right wing posters. -we know, if you don't like it, you'll call it 'lame ass rhetorical bullshit' from 'right wing posters.' I like to think of that kind of retort as the adult version of "i know you are but what am I."

now come on. how about something actually substantive, like, this is how both sides keep each other in check.

Or, is the 'i know you are but what am I' a tool used many times, amazingly, by left wing posters?
 
I don't think party should come into play at all regardless...I'd say the same if people were protesting Bush speaking to school kids