Alec Baldwin tells his daughter how he really feels

Verbal abuse causes long term damage, more so than physical abuse. Its not ok to call an eleven year old girl a vile little pig. Its not ok so threaten a child. Its just not.
"more so than physical abuse" is very debateable, but that's beside the point.

Not all changes brought about by verbal discipline are "damage". some change is an improvement.

and how is it not ok to threaten a child? it's done constantly. "be home on time or you'll be grounded" "do your homework or receive detention" children are threatened constantly. we all are, it's the nature of there being consequences for your actions.
 
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"more so than physical abuse" is very debateable, but that's beside the point.

Not all changes brought about by verbal discipline are "damage". some change is an improvement.

and how is it not ok to threaten a child? it's done constantly. "be home on time or you'll be grounded" "do your homework or receive detention" children are threatened constantly. we all are, it's the nature of there being consequences for your actions.

I am shocked that you would honestly equivocate what was on that message to someone saying "do your homework or receive detention."
 
Verbal abuse causes long term damage, more so than physical abuse. Its not ok to call an eleven year old girl a vile little pig. Its not ok so threaten a child. Its just not.

We have no idea on why she did it, be it because he really is an asshole, or her mother has pumped her head up with how awful he is that she goes along with it. Have you been in a situation like that? I have. I have experience my parents going on and on about each other for over 22 years, and they got divorced when I was 5 years old. When you are that young and you almost constantly hear how your dad is pathetic, and a wimp and so forth from your mom you start to believe it and you do cold things like that constantly until something like this or similar happens to wake you up out of that. I'm not going to go into details on what happened but I personally realized my mother was full of shit on the situation when I was 13. Yes I still love and care for her, but ever since that I will forever take whatever she says or whatever action she takes with a grain of salt.

Being called a pig is mild. I can see being affended if he cussed her out or threatened violence, but he didn't, in fact personally I think he handled it pretty professionally for the most part. Would I have changed a few things? yes, but sometimes people need to be told off and it looks like her time came.
 
We have no idea on why she did it, be it because he really is an asshole, or her mother has pumped her head up with how awful he is that she goes along with it. Have you been in a situation like that? I have. I have experience my parents going on and on about each other for over 22 years, and they got divorced when I was 5 years old. When you are that young and you almost constantly hear how your dad is pathetic, and a wimp and so forth from your mom you start to believe it and you do cold things like that constantly until something like this or similar happens to wake you up out of that. I'm not going to go into details on what happened but I personally realized my mother was full of shit on the situation when I was 13. Yes I still love and care for her, but ever since that I will forever take whatever she says or whatever action she takes with a grain of salt.

Being called a pig is mild. I can see being affended if he cussed her out or threatened violence, but he didn't, in fact personally I think he handled it pretty professionally for the most part. Would I have changed a few things? yes, but sometimes people need to be told off and it looks like her time came.

This is truly blowing my mind.
 
maybe she was being a vile little pig.
I know quite a few spoiled ass lil brats who need a good verbal abuse to bring them down a peg. no where did he say he was going to hit her simply that he was going to let her know just how badly she has embaressed and himlumated him apparently on a repeated basis.
we have been over spoiling kids for a long time.
 
The problem with the phone message is the misplaced aggression, poorly delivered over the phone.

His anger belongs to his ex-wife who is no doubt out squatting for bottles at her next audition.

You can rant at your kids but always preface the lecture with, "I love you too much to allow you to behave this way... blah, blah." Then, you can call 'em a pig, 'cause how many 12 year olds aren't pigs. Furthermore, you should always reinforce to your children that they are just kids and don't know jack shit. But you must deliver the message in person with eye contact and always offer a positive solution!!

The phone message is disturbing because he is angrily railing at his kid like she was his girl friend, of whom he had just found a film where she is the star of group porn.

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The problem with the phone message is the misplaced aggression, poorly delivered over the phone.

His anger belongs to his ex-wife who is no doubt out squatting for bottles at her next audition.

You can rant at your kids but always preface the lecture with, "I love you too much to allow you to behave this way... blah, blah." Then, you can call 'em a pig, 'cause how many 12 year olds aren't pigs. Furthermore, you should always reinforce to your children that they are just kids and don't know jack shit. But you must deliver the message in person with eye contact and always offer a positive solution!!

The phone message is disturbing because he is angrily railing at his kid like she was his girl friend, of whom he had just found a film where she is the star of group porn.

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well we will never know what set this off. I'm thinking she got caught doing something really f'ed up

and dharma: why do you think we end up with shows like super nanny and nanny 911..becasue people are losing the balls to properly discipline thier kids.
 
well we will never know what set this off. I'm thinking she got caught doing something really f'ed up

and dharma: why do you think we end up with shows like super nanny and nanny 911..becasue people are losing the balls to properly discipline thier kids.

I am all about discipline. If his child is a "pig" it is most likely due to lack of discipline. What I disagree with is the tone and terms that he was using. Its not ok to threaten your kids, its just not. There are forms of positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement that can take place of threatening behavior. What he said on that message was a threat and I would fear for the wellfare of my child if I were her mother. I feel bad for this kid because on one hand her dad is scary and nutty and on the other her mother is using her as ammunition against her father.
 
well we will never know what set this off. I'm thinking she got caught doing something really f'ed up

and dharma: why do you think we end up with shows like super nanny and nanny 911..becasue people are losing the balls to properly discipline thier kids.

there is a vast difference between discipline and verbally berating your kid...this is clearly the latter

he might as well have said she was stupid and ugly too
 
We have no idea on why she did it, be it because he really is an asshole, or her mother has pumped her head up with how awful he is that she goes along with it. Have you been in a situation like that? I have. I have experience my parents going on and on about each other for over 22 years, and they got divorced when I was 5 years old. When you are that young and you almost constantly hear how your dad is pathetic, and a wimp and so forth from your mom you start to believe it and you do cold things like that constantly until something like this or similar happens to wake you up out of that. I'm not going to go into details on what happened but I personally realized my mother was full of shit on the situation when I was 13. Yes I still love and care for her, but ever since that I will forever take whatever she says or whatever action she takes with a grain of salt.

Being called a pig is mild. I can see being affended if he cussed her out or threatened violence, but he didn't, in fact personally I think he handled it pretty professionally for the most part. Would I have changed a few things? yes, but sometimes people need to be told off and it looks like her time came.

my parents divorced when I was three...I'm very glad my mother never spoke poorly of my dad which would have been very easy to do especially considering I never met him until I was 16...that was her doing though, not his
 
What he said on that message was a threat and I would fear for the wellfare of my child if I were her mother. I feel bad for this kid because on one hand her dad is scary and nutty and on the other her mother is using her as ammunition against her father.

There is a big difference between "I'm going to fly down to let you know how disappointed I am with you" and "I'm going to fly down there to kick your ass" Sorry, again it sounds like typical parental banter.