Which I agree with entirely. However, a home should be a place of discipline. When my 3 year old mouths off to her mother she is sternly told to apologize immediately. If she refuses she goes to her room with the door closed for 5 minutes. When she gets older bad behavior will be responded to with a hard smack to the butt AND time out.
These parents who produce terrible kids are most commonly the ones who for some idiotic reason adopted the "hands off, kinder, gentler" parenting policy. A policy which is not recognized or spoken of in my house.
(most of that wasn't related to the Baldwin topic at hand, but yeah)