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thoughts on GMO.

Everything is constantly being genetically modified - through natural reproduction.

The simplest example to point to is animal mating. The weak get left behind and consumed & get genetically modified out of existence. The stronger genetics get to reproduce.

Eagles can see a mouse from a mile away because they're naturally genetically modified that way for survival.

GMO corn has a natural bug killer in it that's been tweaked so that we get uniformity out of the crops. At some point, the corn that has survived (pre lab-gmo) was naturally gmo'd. the bugs eat the ones that aren't so they get weeded out of reproduction. All the lab did was take it a little further.

The stronger survive. It's been happening forever.

The problem is that food is being selected for size or immunity to pesticide, and not for nutritional value. Instead, studies have shown that the nutritional value goes down. Other than that, I don't give a shit about GMOs, because as you said it's been happening for eons. Gregor Mendel ftw.
 
Hybridization has been happening for millennia, I'm talking about lab created GMO crops.

Hybrids are created by propagation of seed/pollen. GMOs are genetically altered organisms that contain DNA additional to their own, artificially spliced in my science. They are not the same in any way.

It has been proven time and again that these randomly inserted genes will recombine in unpredictable ways. Additionally, bugs have managed to adapt to the built in BT toxin, as well as weeds have managed to adapt to glyphosphate - all via natural selection. Now to combat this they are testing the usage of agent orange as the new weed killer. Putting harsher and harsher chemicals into the ground isn't a good thing any way you cut it.

Also, traditional crop rotation allows nutrients to be replenished in the soil between plantings of the same crops. Because of lack of crop rotation and traditional farming practices, our overall food quality and output has decreased. By rotating fields from crop to graze land, additional carbon can be absorbed, and magically delicious grass fed animals can be created. Animals feeding on their native diet produce less methane.

Sorry to be long winded, but IMHO all of these technological advances in farming have been made at the sacrifice of the final product. Everything is about cheaper and faster, nobody worries about quality.

Edit: read up on the GMO salmon (aquabounty iirc) they're trying to get approved. When released into farming lakes they quickly devour all competing fish, then plant life, then become cannibals. Shit like that doesn't happen in nature and has no place on my dinner table.

GMOs are just the natural extension of hybridization. It's not much different. GMOs didn't create Africanized honey bees...
 
The problem is that food is being selected for size or immunity to pesticide, and not for nutritional value. Instead, studies have shown that the nutritional value goes down. Other than that, I don't give a shit about GMOs, because as you said it's been happening for eons. Gregor Mendel ftw.

this. I think that soon you'll see gmo's with nutrition in mind.

outside of the gmo/organic debate, I think we (as a people) need to look back at what's gotten us here over 1000's of years. just because we can eat soft perfect bread doesnt' mean that lots of it is nutritional. I think a highly varied diet (& tbh, I try & do more the Mediterranean diet now) of veggies/fruit & proteins with 'good' grains -and a shit load less wheat products - regardless of gmo/organic is 10x better than pretending that eating 2lb organic porterhouse and a giant baked organic potato loaded with butter & all the trimmings is actually healthy.

But no matter what anyone says, red wine cures everything.
 
The problem is that food is being selected for size or immunity to pesticide, and not for nutritional value. Instead, studies have shown that the nutritional value goes down. Other than that, I don't give a shit about GMOs, because as you said it's been happening for eons. Gregor Mendel ftw.

The first sentence here reminded me that I recently read that fishing regulations based on size are creating fish that grow slower and reach maturity later
 
Except the organic stuff generally has a higher nutrient content. It also doesn't destroy the farmland and environment as much.
Organic doesn't always mean organic, just means that it passes certain certification tests.

I put more stock into what the farmers tell me they do, whether or not they pay for the certification.

Though, at least, most things labeled "organic" don't have those godawful artificial sweeteners. :barf:
 
Organic doesn't always mean organic, just means that it passes certain certification tests.

I put more stock into what the farmers tell me they do, whether or not they pay for the certification.

Though, at least, most things labeled "organic" don't have those godawful artificial sweeteners. :barf:

ill just grow my own.
 
We are trying to figure out what we want to grow this year. My chives are coming up though, they apparently wintered over in the pot very well on the balcony. Surprising, everything else that was supposed to do the same thing has always died.
 
Organic doesn't always mean organic, just means that it passes certain certification tests.

I put more stock into what the farmers tell me they do, whether or not they pay for the certification.

Though, at least, most things labeled "organic" don't have those godawful artificial sweeteners. :barf:

See, that's where you're lucky. I don't really have access to farmers. So the best we can go by is 'organic'. It's not perfect, but its better than not...