GAY Why are the male Republicans so interested in lady bits all of a sudden?

i always thought education was key, but maybe i'm wrong.

eileen, you were obviously very well taught everything about the subject, just curious, was your first pregnancy an accident and was it after all your schooling?
 
plot said:
i always thought education was key, but maybe i'm wrong.

eileen, you were obviously very well taught everything about the subject, just curious, was your first pregnancy an accident and was it after all your schooling?
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My first pregnancy was the result of failed birth control. I was 21 years old so it was after all my schooling. I was in a long term committed relationship at the time. I really thought I was going to marry that guy too, but I guess stuff doesn't always work out the way you think.
 
Coqui said:
No.

And I agree if they don't have the maturity to buy a condom they shouldn't be having sex.
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Great! But what's that got to do with kids having sex? Kids will have sex. That's how life works, and it's tough shit, so there's no point burying your head in the sand just praying that all y our lovely talks on abstinence work, because funnily enough it's in those places were such things are taught that teen pregnancy are high. Weird correlation? No.
 
Arátoeldar said:
George Snuffaluffagus (the ABC World News Tonight teleprompter reader/DNC hack) was the one during a Repuke debate who brought up the alleged hot topic of condoms. He pressed both Romney and Santorum on the issue. George Snuffaluffagus did this as a Demoncat strategy to get Obummer's poll numbers out of the basement with women.




jellyfish capitalist (ABC-Disney) was just something I wanted to include because of what happened to the poor guy who wrote A chink in the armor and the guy who used it on air. ABC-Disney-ESPN care more about protecting the profits from the Mouse then they do about doing what is right. A chink in the armor is a phrase that goes back to the Middle-Ages, long before any one from Europe saw anyone from Asia, let alone met them. Chink in this case means flaw, chip,weak spot, et al.
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What?
 
I think the main point that has yet to be addressed is that the reason people are talking about this issueis because the US still hasn't managed to figure out how to let religion be separate from the state, and it has far too much sway on far too many things. That's the real problem here.
 
Amstel said:
lemmeguess, you think people will label them a Responsible slut if they have sex with a condom that's been handed out, and to you, that's a better label than just a plain slut? Of cours that's regardless if they have the maturity level to even comprehend what they're doing.
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I seriously hope you're referring to both females AND males as sluts in this scenario, but somehow I don't think so. Sexist much?
 
Arátoeldar said:
George Snuffaluffagus (the ABC World News Tonight teleprompter reader/DNC hack) was the one during a Repuke debate who brought up the alleged hot topic of condoms. He pressed both Romney and Santorum on the issue. George Snuffaluffagus did this as a Demoncat strategy to get Obummer's poll numbers out of the basement with women.




jellyfish capitalist (ABC-Disney) was just something I wanted to include because of what happened to the poor guy who wrote A chink in the armor and the guy who used it on air. ABC-Disney-ESPN care more about protecting the profits from the Mouse then they do about doing what is right. A chink in the armor is a phrase that goes back to the Middle-Ages, long before any one from Europe saw anyone from Asia, let alone met them. Chink in this case means flaw, chip,weak spot, et al.
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Seriously, do you think you can speak your position without resorting to namecalling? Both you and Kevlar basically look idiotic by doing so. And can you show me a source that says Obama's poll numbers were down with women?

And the problem with using it, was that he was by no means perfect. He had many flaws. He led the league in turnovers, he barely ever shoots over 50%. For a point guard in the NBA, that's horrible.

Yet as soon as the knicks end their winning streak, someone writes a chink in the armor and that is supposed to be considered that they finally found a flaw?
 
Khareesi said:
Great! But what's that got to do with kids having sex? Kids will have sex. That's how life works, and it's tough shit, so there's no point burying your head in the sand just praying that all y our lovely talks on abstinence work, because funnily enough it's in those places were such things are taught that teen pregnancy are high. Weird correlation? No.
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Um, I was supporting handing out condoms in school. I just said kids should be responsible enough and mature enough to also buy condoms on their own as well otherwise they shouldn't be having sex.
 
Coqui said:
Um, I was supporting handing out condoms in school. I just said kids should be responsible enough and mature enough to also buy condoms on their own as well otherwise they shouldn't be having sex.
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Completely redundant. I 'shouldn't drink so much that I'm completely plastered and out of it, but I have done. Kids shouldn't be having sex at certain ages/levels of immaturity, but they do so it's irrelevant whether they should or shouldn't be. They are doing, that's the truth, and the point is whether you educate and protect them to the best of your abilities, knowing that some children WILL be having sex regardless.
 
Khareesi said:
Completely redundant. I 'shouldn't drink so much that I'm completely plastered and out of it, but I have done. Kids shouldn't be having sex at certain ages/levels of immaturity, but they do so it's irrelevant whether they should or shouldn't be. They are doing, that's the truth, and the point is whether you educate and protect them to the best of your abilities, knowing that some children WILL be having sex regardless.
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Do you read before you post?
 
Khareesi said:
I think the main point that has yet to be addressed is that the reason people are talking about this issueis because the US still hasn't managed to figure out how to let religion be separate from the state, and it has far too much sway on far too many things. That's the real problem here.
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No. Who has brought up religion? The ones who want someone else teaching their kids about sex. If you don't want to do it on your own, find your own outreach program outside of the public school system.
 
eileenbunny said:
A few? The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the industrialized world. The Center for Disease control says that one-third of girls get pregnant before the age of 20.
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How's that sex ed working for you?At least admit that your child-efforts in high school, and every other effort that your tax dollars are going to have failed miserably, continue to fail miserably, and that, at least you and a few other posters here, want to continue to throw good money, effort and time after bad.

eileenbunny said:
If her peers were more educated on the topic I'd be a lot happier.
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It's not working, or do you not read your own posts?

eileenbunny said:
I think peer learning could be a great tool in a lot of areas.
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Could? cuz by your own statements and efforts it's failing miserably. Find a petri dish for your experiments outside of the public school system until you find something that works. It seems that EVERYTHING done now is backfiring and you're educating kids who really don't give a shit about condoms and consequenses how to have sex. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

eileenbunny said:
However, since there are people like you that just make blanket statements like "Children should not be teaching children about sex." like it is fact and not opinion we have children who are full of misinformation spreading more misinformation instead of informed children spreading good information.
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fyi: the kids can't tell who's right or wrong on this.

eileenbunny said:
If you really think you are doing okay with your child that's great, but I don't see how it would be hurting you to have sex education in schools.
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take a moment of clarity, if you're able, and read what you believe the current efforts, research, shitty 'peer counseling', and money have helped:
eileenbunny said:
The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the industrialized world. The Center for Disease control says that one-third of girls get pregnant before the age of 20.
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eileenbunny said:
If you don't want your child to participate, opt out, but don't tell me you believe all parents are choosing the same good practices you are because you are wrong.
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If you need your child to participate, find somewhere outside the public school system and "opt in" to help what you believe you lack in parenting ability.

eileenbunny said:
I'm suggesting kids should know about contraception and sex and STD's and not all parents are going to teach this. I'm personally going to talk to my child regardless of whether or not the school does. Not everyone does this though.
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ONce again, your liberal view of a few parents won't so let's mandate it for all the kids. FAILED POLICY by your own admission.

eileenbunny said:
Now I believe that if you aren't a complete idiot you are at least judgmental, horrible, and you speak of dead religious conservative women with a great amount of disrespect.
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You used them as well as yourself as examples why you want it taught in the public school system. If there was any disrespect, it was you who disrespected them as well as yourself. I think it's great that you want someone else teaching your child about sex. I don't need to opt out of your child's need. Find your own program outside of the public school system. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me if our tax dollars went to some program like that because it's just helping out another special needs group instead of dragging the entire school into it.

Find somewhere else to educate your kid that doesn't involve mine. The school programs out there now are failing miserably and I don't want to be part of your grand continued failed experiment.
 
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Khareesi said:
The driving force behind why this is an issue is because of religion, don't try and feign ignorance about it.
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I guess I don't understand this argument.

The United States is a religiously connected country, always has been, always will be. Regardless of the long ranted about "separation of church and state" a HUGE (omg, MAJORITY) percentage of the voting public is religious and therefore base their voting decisions on what they hear in church. Regardless of the origin of their reasoning, or what MINORITY of people disagree with it, they're still the ones voting for what they want in greater numbers. Democracy is working, the people (ie the VOTING MAJORITY) are getting what they want from their government.

You may disagree with them, but the fact remains that they outnumber you, and since we live in a place where things are decided by who has the most votes they are getting their way and are happy about it.
 
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GH0ST said:
I guess I don't understand this argument.

The United States is a religiously connected country, always has been, always will be. Regardless of the long ranted about "separation of church and state" a HUGE (omg, MAJORITY) percentage of the voting public is religious and therefore base their voting decisions on what they hear in church. Regardless of the origin of their reasoning, or what MINORITY of people disagree with it, they're still the ones voting for what they want in greater numbers. Democracy is working, the people (ie the VOTING MAJORITY) are getting what they want from their government.

You may disagree with them, but the fact remains that they outnumber you, and since we live in a place where things are decided by who has the most votes they are getting their way and are happy about it.
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... But everyone claims to be so unhappy.
 
GH0ST said:
I guess I don't understand this argument.

The United States is a religiously connected country, always has been, always will be. Regardless of the long ranted about "separation of church and state" a HUGE (omg, MAJORITY) percentage of the voting public is religious and therefore base their voting decisions on what they hear in church. Regardless of the origin of their reasoning, or what MINORITY of people disagree with it, they're still the ones voting for what they want in greater numbers. Democracy is working, the people (ie the VOTING MAJORITY) are getting what they want from their government.

You may disagree with them, but the fact remains that they outnumber you, and since we live in a place where things are decided by who has the most votes they are getting their way and are happy about it.
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But policies presented and debated by politicians should not be based on religious rhetoric, regardless of the religious make up a country. Religion has a place in private lives, not political life, for a politician to state that he is muslim/hindu/christian or athiest is their prerogative but to go beyond that and try to force their religious morals onto the masses is wrong. You can be against abortion, or the death penalty, or any number of things, but to base that publically on YOUR reilgious view and try to push that bias is ridiculous, unless of course you want to live in a country whereby things are governed by a religion and not based on factual evidence or research.

To push abstinence (or whatever) into schools because it fits in with whatever a religious text says, despite the evidence pointing to it being more effective to take a different approach, is quite frankly stupid and regressive.
 
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Khareesi said:
But policies presented and debated by politicians should not be based on religious rhetoric, regardless of the religious make up a country. Religion has a place in private lives, not political life, for a politician to state that he is muslim/hindu/christian or athiest is their prerogative but to go beyond that and try to force their religious morals onto the masses is wrong. You can be against abortion, or the death penalty, or any number of things, but to base that publically on YOUR reilgious view and try to push that bias is ridiculous, unless of course you want to live in a country whereby things are governed by a religion and not based on factual evidence or research.

To push abstinence (or whatever) into schools because it fits in with whatever a religious text says, despite the evidence pointing to it being more effective to take a different approach, is quite frankly stupid and regressive.
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No, the politicians should represent the will of the people (which is for all intents and purposes the majority of voters), regardless of what logic, or lack thereof, the people's choices are rooted in. Doesn't matter if it is stupid, regressive, illogical, or even morally reprehensible from someone else's perspective.
 
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