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FlamingGlory said:
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No, the people here know "classic me." I am the one who got bored and built a road through a swamp. I am the one who corrects the smallest grammar mistakes to piss people off. I am the one who has a gun collection. I am the one who eventually reduces anything to solipsism. I am the one who presents _far_ too many citations for the average post (including on where I cited the points made in every sentence). I am the one who slept with a goth girl.

All these things, are readily admitted to. I don't post for an audience, if anything I'm known for working behind the scenes (on other forums). It's an obvious satire and I confess it wasnt entirely original since I was thinking of Sarcasmo in the Wal Mart thread. This doesnt make it any less true though. :lol:

My family has [had] a 3000 acre dairy farm in the Adirondack mountains (it's a state park actually). Bears have never been a problem, and they do live there. Coy dogs are the largest threat because they are so fucking stupid. Even then it's rare anyone actually shoots one since they run off at the first sign of people. This a real livestock btw, even to the extent that they are let loose to graze and collected by people riding horses. I'm sure you've never even heard of a NY cowboy? :lol: 1

Strangely it's also a well known fact that FEDERAL parks rarely grant concessions to farmers for grazing or much anything. It is with the strictest rules that they keep things as they are. Not to mention the casual definition of conservation includes everything as it was. Any book by Theodore Roosevelt has mention of this sort of conservation. Even admitting that it was that way (the way you purport) in the past doesnt change current views which are, by majority, in favour of this sort of conservation.

The small bitching of a few rednecks who arent getting to kill enough does not change policy. Major landowners simply don't care (less than 1% of livestock lost to natural predators a year is less than that lost to disease) and the majority of the population, who provide funding for the park system, live in the city. Your entire argument is based on hearsay and alleged firsthand account, both of which are completely unreliable.

And you're a communist.
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The only thing I have to add to this thread is:


animals > people


I'm sure the old lady deserved it. As far as the mountain lion attack, the kitty was there first. The old couple shouldn't have invaded it's territory. Humans are like a virus, unable to coexist with it's host they destroy it. I look forward to the day nature rises up against us and puts us back in our place. We don't deserve the artifical lifestyles of excess we live.
 
Dysfunctional said:
And a sane one at that.

It is the decisions that inflict pain and danger on others that I object to. People that want bears should be forced to have one in their house.

I always felt the same way about section 8 housing. Did you ever notice there ain't no public housing in Chapaqua or Kennybunkport, where the rich politicians like the Clinton's, Bush's and Kennedy's have property. Don't you think they should be forced to look out their back window and admire the programs they they support.

Same thing for wild animals: you want 'em? You should have to have one of your own.
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I have seen many very nice section 8 apartments. In fact I was trying to move into this neighborhood over in Tarpon a couple years back but they denied me. I was really upset because it was such a nice neighborhood so I complained and sent me another letter saying "you make to much money". I was completely shocked to learn that it was a section 8 facility. Come to think of it there is about 3 or 4 in my general area that are all beautiful gated communities.
 
BeerAd said:
I have seen many very nice section 8 apartments. In fact I was trying to move into this neighborhood over in Tarpon a couple years back but they denied me. I was really upset because it was such a nice neighborhood so I complained and sent me another letter saying "you make to much money". I was completely shocked to learn that it was a section 8 facility. Come to think of it there is about 3 or 4 in my general area that are all beautiful gated communities.
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Nice section 8 housing? Geezus, what will our government think of next. Those are the same people you can drive past their place and they will have a BIG SCREEN Tv and an Escalade on 24's.

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Dysfunctional said:
Well first, there was no obvious satire because everything you did in the post is nothing I do, style or otherwise. But let's not dwell on it.

This is a little late for me but here goes:

It's nice to know that your family has a gigantic farm. They are not average, common rural folks. I guess they have enough dogs or whatever to keep the bears from rummaging through everything. That is nice too. Your comment about rednecks and does shows your true lack of knowledge about country people. And, in fact, large herds of deer are very destructive and most farmers prefer they be hunted or they hunt them, themselves.

You say my first hand accounts are unreliable. Fine, if that is your way of dealing with it. Makes it all the more simple for you. I could say that I could give a shit about your first hand family account as being representative to rural attitudes.

So, once and for all here is my position based on my life experience:

If you weren't walking in the woods as soon as you could walk and hunting as soon as you could carry a shotgun in order to help put meat on the table, your impression about rural folk is meaningless to me.

If you haven't taken a scope out of the box, bore sighted it on a rifle, then taken it to a range and zeroed it in (with just a sling) - finally to shoot a buck with it (with one round), your impression about rural folk is meaningless to me.

If you haven't gone to a trout stream for three days with just water and a loaf of bread to live off the fish you catch, while sleeping on the ground, your impression about rural folk is meaningless to me.

I know what I know because I have lived it. I know what mountain people think because I know them and still, in so many ways, am one of them. Where I come from folks are pissed off about the bear population. They also don't think predators should be in the state parks but they can't do much about it.

You can choose to believe some of what I post or none of what I post. It is, after all, a forum. But until you have my frame of reference, my life experiences, your comments on the subject just do not mean a whole lot to me.
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This entire post makes me think of "You might be a redneck if..." Jeff Foxworthy ftl
 
April23 said:
Nice section 8 housing? Geezus, what will our government think of next. Those are the same people you can drive past their place and they will have a BIG SCREEN Tv and an Escalade on 24's.

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Actually there is many qualifications down at the one on Beckett Bay in Tarpon/Holiday that stop that from happening. As I said before it was a very nice community with what seemed to be very nice in general set of people. I think you are confusing the section 8 housing with actual section 8 communities.
 
Dysfunctional said:
How in the hell can you say you are trying to discuss the topic. The only topic you appear to focus on is trying to correct me. Contribute to the thread.

Furthermore, I defend myself very well, thank you. Calling you out for what you are doing is not playing a victim role. If you and Flamer want to be the bluster brothers, that's okay. I will just point it out.
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As Pandora just alluded to, have we figured out yet why it's logical to have to sanitize every square foot of earth in order to live without fear of teeth and claws?

Every animal has a need to propagate and spread, so I won't dwell too much on the "they were here first" argument, though there is an element of truth to that as well. My primary point is simply to ask why we must live so far outside of rational need.

We don't HAVE to eliminate all predators from state parks, though you want to just in case. There simply isn't that much of a threat. I can't count the number of state parks I've been to in my life, and I've never been threatened once. Bear encounters, a badger or two, even a wolverine. The moose that got all huffy was Norwegian and probably drunk, so it doesn't count.

I'm not discounting your opinions or your life accounts, nor am I discounting those of people you know. I'm simply saying that per capita there isn't a "problem" with predators, but merely a nuisance. And I don't think that extinction is a logical response to nuisance.

I absolutely choose to live in a land where there is a broad range of natural wonder to experience and enjoy, even if it means that some of it could kill me. And that's really the only point that need be considered. People WANT predators around, whether other people lose pets or livestock to them or not. I understand the financial stress predators cause. I think everyone does. I am able to empathize with the ranchers and farmers and their way of life, I truly am. I simply choose to ignore it. Why? Because I place more value on a species of creature that everyone should be able to observe and enjoy than I do on money.

And in all fairness to Wonko you HAVE changed your stance. Initially it was wipe out all predators everywhere, and lately it seems to be wipe out all predators in state parks. Which to me is also illogical, due to the ranges of the animals in question. Animals don't observe park boundaries. I'm not saying that to patronize you, I'm saying it for the sake of elaborating on a point. How do you keep predators out of the parks in question? You would have to eliminate vast numbers of them in surrounding territories too, which takes me back to my original point.

Why bother if they simply aren't that much of a threat? It is a well known fact that North American predators do not routinely stalk people. Will they on occasion? Yes, but as I've said before so will herbivores, which kill people daily across the globe. It's a matter of simple animal behavior.

But we, as logical cognitive creatures, are capable of realizing that the benefits of the species we share the world with far outweigh the hindrances. You are clearly biased towards the animals in question, and bias doesn't effectively play into objective, logical considerations.

Here's what I propose. Instead of telling us why they should be eliminated, tell us instead why they should be preserved. Examine the other side and do the research. If your response is that it isn't necessary because you know that they contribute nothing but unnecessary peril to everything around them, then you clearly haven't done the research. They are highly beneficial, I assure you. But don't take my word for it.
 
BeerAd said:
Actually there is many qualifications down at the one on Beckett Bay in Tarpon/Holiday that stop that from happening. As I said before it was a very nice community with what seemed to be very nice in general set of people. I think you are confusing the section 8 housing with actual section 8 communities.
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No I'm not. If you were a drug dealer and wanted a cheap place to live wouldn't you go for section 8 housing then spend your undocumented cash on bling?
 
April23 said:
No I'm not. If you were a drug dealer and wanted a cheap place to live wouldn't you go for section 8 housing then spend your undocumented cash on bling?
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You are looking at all section 8 as one, it is not nor do the extreme cases make sense for an overall view of it.

You have to have a job to live in this section 8 community

You have to pay the right taxes every year:)O )

There is also some rule about value of personal possession but I cannot remember exactly how it was set up.

You could not be a felon.

They do a full background check
 
April23 said:
No I'm not. If you were a drug dealer and wanted a cheap place to live wouldn't you go for section 8 housing then spend your undocumented cash on bling?
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Section 8 housing should definitely be eliminated. There's a complex a few miles from me, and if you ever look at the city crime bulletin, that immediate area is always the highest.

There should be extremely strict rules for qualifying if we're going to maintain the policy. Do you have a job, do you have standards of personal hygiene, do you aspire to be something more than a boil on the ass of mankind, do you dabble in narcotics, etc. Observe them for 6 months undercover before approving the application. That will weed out the losers and filth.
 
BeerAd said:
You are looking at all section 8 as one, it is not nor do the extreme cases make sense for an overall view of it.

You have to have a job to live in this section 8 community

You have to pay the right taxes every year:)O )

There is also some rule about value of personal possession but I cannot remember exactly how it was set up.

You could not be a felon.

They do a full background check
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"Loser" doesn't show up on background checks.
 
Sarcasmo said:
Section 8 housing should definitely be eliminated. There's a complex a few miles from me, and if you ever look at the city crime bulletin, that immediate area is always the highest.

There should be extremely strict rules for qualifying if we're going to maintain the policy. Do you have a job, do you have standards of personal hygiene, do you aspire to be something more than a boil on the ass of mankind, do you dabble in narcotics, etc. Observe them for 6 months undercover before approving the application. That will weed out the losers and filth.
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Honestly not to that extent but the nice section 8 places that I was talking about here locally are pretty much like that.
 
zengirl said:
Not everyone who is poor is a "loser"
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During court proceedings charging Rickey Lackey with attempted theft, Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Melba Marsh asked Lackey how many children he had.

Lackey's response: “None, but I have six on the way."

That prompted Marsh to ask Lackey, 25, if he was marrying a woman with six kids.

“No, I be concubining," Lackey responded, meaning he lives with women he is not married to.
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Guarantee this guy is poor.

Poor people should be slaughtered, not animals.
 
BeerAd said:
This is basically the point I was trying to get across. Not all Section 8 is set up for people who are douche bags. From personal experience it is not that hard to hit a rough patch and find yourself in need of help.
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I know. A lot of the people in the Section 8 nearby are women on the run from abusive relationships. There is a special program set up specifically to shelter and aid them. I'm all for that. Just not the losers.
 
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