HPV - Ya You Know Me

April23 said:
This only seems logical. Why not try to prevent something negative in our lives.

Cervical cancer is a bitch, I've never had it but have heard how even the testing is a painful experience.
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I agree. But not everyone does and it's not my choice to tell someone else how to raise her daughter. Nor should it be.

fly said:
Yeah, cause children are just tomes of intelligence and reason. And what does it matter if the risk is immediate or not? "It's okay, the child isn't a serial killer yet. Just let em go."
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No but adults generally can make those decisions. If said adult feels her child should not have this shot, said child should not have the shot. The child's care belongs to the parent, not the government.

Yes, it matters if the risk is immediate. By your example a kid that beats up another kid on the playground could become a serial killer so might as well lock him for twenty years now?
 
FlyNavy said:
I agree. But not everyone does and it's not my choice to tell someone else how to raise her daughter. Nor should it be.



No but adults generally can make those decisions. If said adult feels her child should not have this shot, said child should not have the shot. The child's care belongs to the parent, not the government.

Yes, it matters if the risk is immediate. By your example a kid that beats up another kid on the playground could become a serial killer so might as well lock him for twenty years now?
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If the kid has psychological issues you're damn sure someone is will want him to go to a psychologist.
 
FlyNavy said:
No but adults generally can make those decisions. If said adult feels her child should not have this shot, said child should not have the shot. The child's care belongs to the parent, not the government.
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If parent does not want her child have a shot she feels is unnecessary and perfers to educate her on the matter and make the decision with her when she's 16 or wait until she's old enough to have it done herself then that should remain the choice of the parent.
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Did you get an epiphany and suddenly have a long term outlook on life at 16? I know all I wanted to do was party. And while we're at it, what parents these days educate their kids about anything? Be honest.
 
fly said:
Did you get an epiphany and suddenly have a long term outlook on life at 16? I know all I wanted to do was party. And while we're at it, what parents these days educate their kids about anything? Be honest.
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Flynavy isn't even fighting about HPV, he's fighting about his rights. He's paranoid the government is out to turn him into a robot.
 
April23 said:
If the kid has psychological issues you're damn sure someone is will want him to go to a psychologist.
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Not necessarily. If the kid just got into a damn scuffle with another kid a shrink is unnecessary. Instead of letting boys be boys we prescribe some ritalin and figure the problems will just disappear. Just because a kid is a troublemaker does not mean he needs psychological help.

fly said:
Did you get an epiphany and suddenly have a long term outlook on life at 16? I know all I wanted to do was party. And while we're at it, what parents these days educate their kids about anything? Be honest.
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No, that happened at 17. Still doesn't change the fact that the responsibility for making sure I didn't do stupid shit fell on my parents. You're right, many parents these days fail in that regard so assisting them in giving up on raising their children and saying "it's ok, the government can make all your child-rearing decisions for you" is better than making them realize the importance of this responsibility?
 
April23 said:
Flynavy isn't even fighting about HPV, he's fighting about his rights. He's paranoid the government is out to turn him into a robot.
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:rolleyes: yeah, actually giving a shit or two about rights makes me paranoid. it's no surprise that this attitude shapes the country. I feel sorry for America, sometimes
April23 said:
The problem there started when parents stopped being good parents.
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Exactly. So instead of making them take on the responsibility of being good parents we reward them by absolving them of it?
 
FlyNavy said:
No, that happened at 17. Still doesn't change the fact that the responsibility for making sure I didn't do stupid shit fell on my parents. You're right, many parents these days fail in that regard so assisting them in giving up on raising their children and saying "it's ok, the government can make all your child-rearing decisions for you" is better than making them realize the importance of this responsibility?
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Right but your parents lack of care is affecting others. If your daughter doesn't get the shot, she is likely to give people cancer later on. That's not cool. And lets not forget that this whole thing could be eradicated in a generation or two. That's gotta be worth something...
 
fly said:
Right but your parents lack of care is affecting others. If your daughter doesn't get the shot, she is likely to give people cancer later on. That's not cool. And lets not forget that this whole thing could be eradicated in a generation or two. That's gotta be worth something...
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She's likely to give people cancer later on if she doesn't decide to get the shot later on. This is the liberal mindset that pisses me off to no end. Always assume that people are going to do the wrong thing, make the wrong choice, so might as well take away those choices.

I just believe people are generally capable of running their own fraking lives and don't need a government nanny in every single aspect to make sure we all do the same thing.
 
FlyNavy said:
No, I wouldn't be surprised at how young it starts but I would certainly be surprised if it'sw become such a problem that it needs to be mandatory. Communicable diseases are one thing, they make MMR shots mandatory for public health. HPV can't be passed along through anything but sex so if I'm a parent then I get to decide when my daughter gets that shot and no one else.

I love generalizing Texas. Steers & queers. And Silverados filled to the brim with Mexicans. That's all Texas is.

Yeah, I realize it happens. Bottom line remains that HPV is not contagious and making something unnecessary mandatory is just plain wrong.

I like Dr Drew and I don't doubt that piece of information but that doesn't change the fact that it should not be mandatory. My child, my choice.


:lol: bravo, sir
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I don't think it will last very long. There has been an uproar here from people who are sick of being told what to do with their kids. The laundry list of required vaccinations is turning into a nightmare.
 
FlyNavy said:
She's likely to give people cancer later on if she doesn't decide to get the shot later on. This is the liberal mindset that pisses me off to no end. Always assume that people are going to do the wrong thing, make the wrong choice, so might as well take away those choices.

I just believe people are generally capable of running their own fraking lives and don't need a government nanny in every single aspect to make sure we all do the same thing.
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I believe people are generally idiots. This affects everyones life around them and that is not fair.
 
April23 said:
I believe people are generally idiots. This affects everyones life around them and that is not fair.
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And that's where we disagree. Some people love government intervention when it suits them. Just remember that alcohol was banned because someone else thought people were generally idiots and shouldn't be allowed to drink. If you think I'm being paranoid all you have to do is look at the history of this country and see all the examples of people demanding that the government step in and ban something that today all of us take for granted.

For example, do you realize that you and fly are breaking Florida laws against cohabitation. :fly: Yeah, someone else thought people were generally idiots and shouldn't be allowed to live together before marriage. Cohabitation and fornication increases risk of spreading STDs and unwanted pregnancies, both of which also affect lives other than your own.
 
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