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The $15/hr minimum wage thing is happening here by default. People got locked out of restaurant work long enough they don't wanna go back and do that shit for that kinda money anymore. Can't blame them either.
Not just sit down restaurants but places like Wendys, Chick fillet, panda express, etc. are offering 13-15 buck an hour to start.
Not just sit down restaurants but places like Wendys, Chick fillet, panda express, etc. are offering 13-15 buck an hour to start.
Well, any of them give you a call back? Yer gonna have to wear a hair bonnet.
Absolutely - you feel the same way about older people. [/youngassholeisassholeagain]
I got into a discussion about this topic-ish recently with someone in the local Facebook group, but it didn't go as poorly as the last time at least
the original post was a local business help wanted ad and the advertised starting pay was something like $15, and this woman was complaining about lazy kids today wanting too much money for these jobs and bemoaning that old people and disabled people had to go work these jobs bc the kids wouldn't, and once I pointed out that none of those people are taking jobs to help out the poor companies, it's because they NEED to work because they need money, too, and that IS a bummer (and there's all sorts of ridiculous hoops involving disability/SSI and not being allowed to work more than x hours, earn more than $y, or ever have more than $z total dollars to your name or you no longer qualify), she shifted to her problem being that she just retired and after 20 years, the new folks were making what it took her 20 years to make, so I reminder her about inflation, so like if she was making $20/hr in 2000, she'd need to be making something like $32/hr in 2021 or she was effectively earning less, and that if her wages had not kept up with inflation, the faut for that lies with her former employers, not with her fellow workers, and she was like "woah, I honestly never even considered it like that, I think I actually agree with you there"
Well done, comrade.I got into a discussion about this topic-ish recently with someone in the local Facebook group, but it didn't go as poorly as the last time at least
the original post was a local business help wanted ad and the advertised starting pay was something like $15, and this woman was complaining about lazy kids today wanting too much money for these jobs and bemoaning that old people and disabled people had to go work these jobs bc the kids wouldn't, and once I pointed out that none of those people are taking jobs to help out the poor companies, it's because they NEED to work because they need money, too, and that IS a bummer (and there's all sorts of ridiculous hoops involving disability/SSI and not being allowed to work more than x hours, earn more than $y, or ever have more than $z total dollars to your name or you no longer qualify), she shifted to her problem being that she just retired and after 20 years, the new folks were making what it took her 20 years to make, so I reminder her about inflation, so like if she was making $20/hr in 2000, she'd need to be making something like $32/hr in 2021 or she was effectively earning less, and that if her wages had not kept up with inflation, the faut for that lies with her former employers, not with her fellow workers, and she was like "woah, I honestly never even considered it like that, I think I actually agree with you there"
Jehannum
Puts the "pro" in procrastination
The Democrats Are Trying to Lose
Democrats are going beyond refusing to give Americans an affirmative reason to vote for them: in sabotaging their own purported agenda around Biden’s Build Back Better bill, they seem to be trying to lose to the authoritarians in the GOP they claim to oppose.
I got into a discussion about this topic-ish recently with someone in the local Facebook group, but it didn't go as poorly as the last time at least
the original post was a local business help wanted ad and the advertised starting pay was something like $15, and this woman was complaining about lazy kids today wanting too much money for these jobs and bemoaning that old people and disabled people had to go work these jobs bc the kids wouldn't, and once I pointed out that none of those people are taking jobs to help out the poor companies, it's because they NEED to work because they need money, too, and that IS a bummer (and there's all sorts of ridiculous hoops involving disability/SSI and not being allowed to work more than x hours, earn more than $y, or ever have more than $z total dollars to your name or you no longer qualify), she shifted to her problem being that she just retired and after 20 years, the new folks were making what it took her 20 years to make, so I reminder her about inflation, so like if she was making $20/hr in 2000, she'd need to be making something like $32/hr in 2021 or she was effectively earning less, and that if her wages had not kept up with inflation, the faut for that lies with her former employers, not with her fellow workers, and she was like "woah, I honestly never even considered it like that, I think I actually agree with you there"
Inflation is a killer. $15 even doesn't stretch too far.
When they say inflation is at X% on the news that's the overall economy as a hole but a lot of common every day stuff people buy regularly has increased a lot more than that.
Pumping a few trillion of fiat into the economy that isn't even the result of any kinda increased productivity or actual work just makes all the dollars worth less.
So ya $15 sounds nice but it doesn't buy you as much as $8 or $10 did years ago.
The Manchin stuff is kinda meh. Schumer already said they will be voting on the bill when they are back in session in January and Manchin will have to go on the record with his no vote. That's great and all but the people of West Virginia won't care. It's a state Trump won by 30 %. Most of them are probably happy he's against it. It won't make a bit of difference.The Democrats Are Trying to Lose
Democrats are going beyond refusing to give Americans an affirmative reason to vote for them: in sabotaging their own purported agenda around Biden’s Build Back Better bill, they seem to be trying to lose to the authoritarians in the GOP they claim to oppose.jacobinmag.com
Jehannum
Puts the "pro" in procrastination
I guess I'm just disappointed that, after 4 years of non-governance by the GOP, that the Dems can't do a single thing (with or without Manchin).
As far as legislation goes this has reminded me of the first two years of the Trump administration. One party in total control and accomplishing very little to nothing. They better get their shit together after the New Year.
Stick to self-employment and you don't have to worry about such frivolities. I even got to write my own covid policy!
I have an in with a couple companies I'm gonna end up going to work for one and be somebody's employee for the first time in 25 years (puke emoji goes here) pretty much for the medical insurance benefits. Just plain can't afford that shit out of pocket and I don't foresee it getting any cheaper and I'm not getting any younger. One of them runs a schedule where you do a 6 hour shift and three 12 hour shifts all consecutively. Get your full time in 3-1/2 days then off the other 3-1/2.
Can work a few of my own customers on a couple of the off days and keep that in my back pocket. Not fall totally out of the loop so to speak in case shit goes south.
Should probably brush up on some sensitivity training I suppose. I'm so not used to having a whole pecking order and bunch of rules and shit.
Agree with all of this. I think another consideration(on new people making what she made) is that many people plateau at their job after a few years and some new people already have the skills the retiree needed a few years to acquire. And not all employees become increasingly valuable with time, the job (say, burger-flipping) doesn't merit it. You were a Star Flipper by the end of your first shift.I got into a discussion about this topic-ish recently with someone in the local Facebook group, but it didn't go as poorly as the last time at least
the original post was a local business help wanted ad and the advertised starting pay was something like $15, and this woman was complaining about lazy kids today wanting too much money for these jobs and bemoaning that old people and disabled people had to go work these jobs bc the kids wouldn't, and once I pointed out that none of those people are taking jobs to help out the poor companies, it's because they NEED to work because they need money, too, and that IS a bummer (and there's all sorts of ridiculous hoops involving disability/SSI and not being allowed to work more than x hours, earn more than $y, or ever have more than $z total dollars to your name or you no longer qualify), she shifted to her problem being that she just retired and after 20 years, the new folks were making what it took her 20 years to make, so I reminder her about inflation, so like if she was making $20/hr in 2000, she'd need to be making something like $32/hr in 2021 or she was effectively earning less, and that if her wages had not kept up with inflation, the faut for that lies with her former employers, not with her fellow workers, and she was like "woah, I honestly never even considered it like that, I think I actually agree with you there"
we all are. Its just so much easier to impede progress than it is to achieve it. While manchin is an asshole.... remember, theres half of both the house and the senate that just votes no on EVERYTHING. This is still the fuckin' republicans fault.
Agree with all of this. I think another consideration(on new people making what she made) is that many people plateau at their job after a few years and some new people already have the skills the retiree needed a few years to acquire. And not all employees become increasingly valuable with time, the job (say, burger-flipping) doesn't merit it. You were a Star Flipper by the end of your first shift.
This is something I don't hear talked about much. The job has to have an "up" to move to to keep advancing and earning more. The whole staff of regular workers can't all move into management.
Who would they manage?
Eventually it'll be robots.
All robots.
Jehannum
Puts the "pro" in procrastination
Theoretically once we move past scarcity, social safety nets like UBI will take over, whether the rugged individualist house cat lolbertarians want them to or not.
I have my doubts that there won't be an armed insurrection instead that deposes the ruling class (like the French Revolution) that instead sets us back a century or so.
Valve1138
I like the AB in the GB
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