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A lot of it comes down to what people believe living is. 7.25 is sucks to live on in SC no doubt but It's defenantly a livable wage, especially when you take advantage of Medicaide. I don't think a livable wage includes being able to buy the latest iPhone.
Should federal minimum wage be increased? Of course it should. Should it be $15? Maybe not. At least not all at once. Doubling would only make business harder for the average person. That means money will funnel to the top even more than it already does.
I could be wrong about this but it looks like a likely economic reaction to me and I've yet to see examples of doubling minimum wage working out. I see no reason to take the risk, when a slow and steady increase can get us there.
A penny an hour can also be considered a livable wage as long as it’s supplemented by government cheese.
I wanted to respond to the iPhone part also because my phone bill with the extra $15 a month for the phone cost is still less than my hard line phone bill was in 1985 adjusted for inflation, but let it go.
I wasn't going to reply to this because I have no clue what you were getting at but I saw Asa gravied it so now I'm curious what I'm missing out on.
Firstly I'm game for Medicaid for all. I dont see reciving medicaid as a bad use of government cheese, not to mention minimum wage is doable (not easy but possible in SC) even without it. Secondly the newest iPhone is more like 40 dollars a month with a 2 year contract, plus there are great phones for $50 and plans as cheap as free. Thirdly you lost me big at "but let it go" you mean your let you home phone go?
I think what he was getting at was that if you're getting subsidized by the govt, any wage you get paid can be a livable wage.
But why depend on the govt to do that?
I'd still like to see these examples where doubling those labor costs just meant bottom rung employees got more money with little effect elsewhere in the business.
Maybe don't use a global corporation that's replacing employees with kiosks this time.
While we're waiting on that somebody should figure up the real costs involved in all this. An employee receiving X in their pocket costs the business more than X to employ, while at the same time having full time employees qualify for things like food stamps or housing assistance just means the rest of us are subsidizing their employers so they can pay them less and/or subsidizing their landlords.
It's not as cut and dried as people try to make it sound.
Maybe don't use a global corporation that's replacing employees with kiosks this time.
While we're waiting on that somebody should figure up the real costs involved in all this. An employee receiving X in their pocket costs the business more than X to employ, while at the same time having full time employees qualify for things like food stamps or housing assistance just means the rest of us are subsidizing their employers so they can pay them less and/or subsidizing their landlords.
It's not as cut and dried as people try to make it sound.
Okay. Maybe the phone part through me off. What's better though, healthcare driven by corporate profit or healthcare for the people by the people? There's a lot of reasons both could suck.
We could also subsidize through a technology tax which would likely cost businesses more than just paying employees more in the first place.
There's also the possibility of different levels of minimum wage for the number of employees a company has. That already happens in some states and it sounds like a good way to help small businesses grow.
Yang has a point with automation. The robots are going to take our jobs and their owners will be the only people getting paid. *class division widening* #insertpenisnowwearefucked
And people are worried about all the brown folks stealing jobs. Satan have mercy.
Yang is right. And really that's been happening for some time, just the pace and pervasiveness of it is gonna quicken faster and faster.
Look at how many people used to have a hand in building a car vs. how many work there now keeping an eye on the robots.
Now imagine the consternation of the IT workers when the robots and computer systems can just come up with and write their own code.
Yeah and at some point it will be one person watching a robot who watches robots build cars. And he will do it in his PJs.
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The tax man will. None of this is happening without those leeches getting their cut.
@OOD @Mr. Asa @Immigrant
is the disconnect that Ood was talking about future/M4A type of deal & not current, like, "just be exactly poor enough to receive benefits" ?
like he wasn't talking about in terms of like Immi right now, but rather IF we do medicare/Medicaid for all in the future, THEN... ?
is the disconnect that Ood was talking about future/M4A type of deal & not current, like, "just be exactly poor enough to receive benefits" ?
like he wasn't talking about in terms of like Immi right now, but rather IF we do medicare/Medicaid for all in the future, THEN... ?
idk my body is sore and my brain is fried and I haven't been great at following lately so apologies if I'm entirely off base
I dunno. I wasnt 100% following his arguments in the first place as to how minimum wage had anything to do with Medicare. Admittedly, I wasnt paying attention, though
Non-min. employees don't get COL as a rule.
Idk if it's ever been done but it needs to be $15 now specifically because it hasn't been done gradually. A lot of the time they do make a scheduled, graduated increase? I think thats how some of the cities that have implemented $15 mins have done it?
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