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I understand all of this.

A lot of it is dependent on GPS being able to ping, microphones being able to hear, and cameras being able to see.

Kaczynski gets a bad rap. His solution was obviously wrong but his recognition of the issue that needs solving wasn't entirely.
Your welcome to be some super crotchety luddite, but then you would have never found this place. Think about that.
 
Your welcome to be some super crotchety luddite, but then you would have never found this place. Think about that.

I can use this place without disclosing every aspect of my life to the world at large...unless there's something you're not telling me.
 
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Everything you do on the internet is tracked in some fashion. Same with the smart phone. Box stores now track people using their smart phones to figure out where people walk, how long they stop in an area, placing ads on the phones by geofencing, etc. Unless you want to live like Ted Kaczynski did in the mountains in a cabin, you have no privacy. Maybe once Congress enacts some form of GDPR we will have some legal expectation of privacy.
It's your choice to let the fibbit people track and sell your weight and BMI, though.

I hope the tradeoff was worth it to you. I know that there's a line I won't cross wrt tracking, and that's health status, because once that shit is fed back to insurance companies, you know full well they'll use it to put bullshit barriers in your way when you try to access healthcare. (Oh, you have chest pains? Maybe you should walk a few more steps, fatty!)
 
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It's your choice to let the fibbit people track and sell your weight and BMI, though.

I hope the tradeoff was worth it to you. I know that there's a line I won't cross wrt tracking, and that's health status, because once that shit is fed back to insurance companies, you know full well they'll use it to put bullshit barriers in your way when you try to access healthcare. (Oh, you have chest pains? Maybe you should walk a few more steps, fatty!)

This is an example of a legit and possibly life altering concern.
 
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This is an example of a legit and possibly life altering concern.
They're already doing it as a carrot in most health plans (go to this website and tell us how you worked out, how many steps you took today, and we'll put FREE money in your HSA!), and also auto insurance plans (plug this thing in your OBD-II port, and we'll cut your insurance rates provided you drive in a certain way!). I'm exempt from the auto one, since I don't have an OBD-II port in any of my shitpiles, thank goodness.

It's not a far bridge to get from carrot to stick, since they're the ones that control pay schedules and rates.
 
The GPS fitness apps tracking US service members and getting leaked online was concerning since they were jogging on FOBs and many times those locations weren't disclosed for obvious opsec reasons. That scares me more than an insurance company knowing how much I weigh. The NSA has that info anyway to attach to my FBI file that the Office of Personnel Management leaked a few years back and now the hackers have all my statistics now.
 
The GPS fitness apps tracking US service members and getting leaked online was concerning since they were jogging on FOBs and many times those locations weren't disclosed for obvious opsec reasons. That scares me more than an insurance company knowing how much I weigh. The NSA has that info anyway to attach to my FBI file that the Office of Personnel Management leaked a few years back and now the hackers have all my statistics now.
It's not illegitimate uses that bother me, it's the legitimate ones that bother me.
 
They're already doing it as a carrot in most health plans (go to this website and tell us how you worked out, how many steps you took today, and we'll put FREE money in your HSA!), and also auto insurance plans (plug this thing in your OBD-II port, and we'll cut your insurance rates provided you drive in a certain way!). I'm exempt from the auto one, since I don't have an OBD-II port in any of my shitpiles, thank goodness.

It's not a far bridge to get from carrot to stick, since they're the ones that control pay schedules and rates.

Excellent example and analogy. I really can't add anything outside of stating the obvious. No need to force the stick when people who don't think past the here and now (that would be a majority of them) will voluntarily, gladly accept the carrot it's attached to. Hell, some of them even demand it.
 
It's your choice to let the fibbit people track and sell your weight and BMI, though.

I hope the tradeoff was worth it to you. I know that there's a line I won't cross wrt tracking, and that's health status, because once that shit is fed back to insurance companies, you know full well they'll use it to put bullshit barriers in your way when you try to access healthcare. (Oh, you have chest pains? Maybe you should walk a few more steps, fatty!)

hello. actuary here. we do this. daily.

it's the biggest disruption in the the life and disability industry right now. there are plans in the works for products where your premiums are dynamic and linked with your fitbit activity in real time. people like me are responsible for designing the algorithms that say "you only averaged 5000 steps a day this month? that's an extra $15 on your premiums for the next 6"
 
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even more insidious is the marketing that goes along with it. tracking everything about you so we can offer to up-sell your insurance policies at the most opportune times.
 
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hello. actuary here. we do this. daily.

it's the biggest disruption in the the life and disability industry right now. there are plans in the works for products where your premiums are dynamic and linked with your fitbit activity in real time. people like me are responsible for designing the algorithms that say "you only averaged 5000 steps a day this month? that's an extra $15 on your premiums for the next 6"
even more insidious is the marketing that goes along with it. tracking everything about you so we can offer to up-sell your insurance policies at the most opportune times.

And people call me crazy for using terms like technological tyranny and computers tracking our every behavior being a bad thing.

Im sure somebody will be along shortly to proclaim stuff like this as being a great idea and they'll probably offer up several authoritarian "reasons" why. :/
 
And people call me crazy for using terms like technological tyranny and computers tracking our every behavior being a bad thing.

Im sure somebody will be along shortly to proclaim stuff like this as being a great idea and they'll probably offer up several authoritarian "reasons" why. :/

I've gotten far more conscious of how I use the internet in recent years, after being exposed to the other side of where this data goes. it's not pretty. especially when you get deeper into infosec and realize how bad most of these companies are at keeping a good lock on that data. chances are, at least 1-2 of the companies that have data on you are compromised each year. the more they have on you, the more risk exposure you have in the case of their fuck up. and their security is something you have absolutely no say in.
 
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And people call me crazy for using terms like technological tyranny and computers tracking our every behavior being a bad thing.

Im sure somebody will be along shortly to proclaim stuff like this as being a great idea and they'll probably offer up several authoritarian "reasons" why. :/
Anyone is able to opt out of life's conveniences at any time.
 
Anyone is able to opt out of life's conveniences at any time.

When is the last time you filled out a paper job application with a handheld ink pen and turned it in to a real flesh-n-bones person?

Hell, even homeless people and disabled people get told to fill out applications for assistance online.


Life is good in the ivory tower isn't it.
 
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