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This feeds into my belief that the powers that be are looking towards a future with a permanent underclass. The hatebox occasionally spews its hatred of “screwels”. There appears to be no real effort to raise the lowest wages, only raising the already high. Combine that with lack of education, there’s your cheap ass labor force.
From a strictly pragmatic standpoint, educating too many people might be considered a waste of money if you are eliminating jobs through automation. And automation is really efficient, usually. The low wages seem rather expected under unthrottled capitalism and low taxes for the rich.
 
No point talking about the first part. We just disagree completely on that.

Vouchers aren't needed to transfer public schools that's a waste of government. It's cool for the private schools but public schools should have enrollment like they do now but for all counties/districts.

It wasn't a dodge, mate. More of a poke or a jab, but your reply about happiness contradicts your original claim that people get happiness from handouts (I paraphrased, sue me)
Public schools in most of the USA get the majority of their funding from local property taxes which are tied to some presumed value. People who pay taxes in a ritzy area would probably be a bit pissed if their district was spending say $11k a year to educate a child from out of the area but they were only getting $3000 in funding. Michigan has school of choice, but parents are responsible for all transportation and some districts opt out. They lose any state funds, but they control the game. They prosecute riff-raff that try to sneak a kid in under "they live with grandma, in the district".

Odd fact: most ritzy areas have the lowest f'n tax rates. Fewer kids per house, lower crime, few house fires . . .
 
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Old people are dying off or retiring. At some point companies will have to choose between hiring someone without the ideal qualifications, or not hiring anyone at all. A lot of companies already hire people without the ideal qualifications. My guess is this will become more and more prominent over time.
Old people are working longer, Social Security is continually threatened with increased age as a barrier to entry, and fewer and fewer people have any savings for retirement.

I don't think that it's as rosy as you do.
 
Old people are working longer, Social Security is continually threatened with increased age as a barrier to entry, and fewer and fewer people have any savings for retirement.

I don't think that it's as rosy as you do.
Agreed. Seems everybody I know who retires is back to working at least part time, within a year. If they haven't died. :/ I know a HVAC guy who is still working and probably kicking his son's ass on jobs, at age 78.:lol:
 
the meat isn’t pre-cut yet.



Bacon.


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Most meat is on automated machinery. The larger piece your local butcher cuts into smaller pieces was also likely on one.



I need to follow through with making gifs from that movie Dominion. Slaughterhouse/processing plant footage has been largely deplatformed. Probably qualifies as some kind of ~ist or ~phobe like everything else now.
 
Public schools in most of the USA get the majority of their funding from local property taxes which are tied to some presumed value. People who pay taxes in a ritzy area would probably be a bit pissed if their district was spending say $11k a year to educate a child from out of the area but they were only getting $3000 in funding. Michigan has school of choice, but parents are responsible for all transportation and some districts opt out. They lose any state funds, but they control the game. They prosecute riff-raff that try to sneak a kid in under "they live with grandma, in the district".

Odd fact: most ritzy areas have the lowest f'n tax rates. Fewer kids per house, lower crime, few house fires . . .

We do that here with the Robinhood Program. Take money (tax revenue) from wealthier districts and give it to poorer ones. We have business taxes (passed on to consumer like every other cost), cigarette taxes (smoking is bad but do it for the children), lottery proceeds (gambling is bad but state-sanctioned gambling is good) and all manner of things to help further fund schools. We got public schools and magnet schools and charter schools and private schools and church schools.

Yet we're still like 37th in the country for education.
Just goes to show yet again that simply throwing money at things doesn't fix them.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_plan

https://texasschoolguide.org/understanding-schools/what-are-my-school-choice-options/

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education
 
A lot of companies have realized a diploma doesn't = better employee or better anything. Therefore, "all of our employees have 4yr degrees" loses it's value.
Arguably they might show up more - got those damn student loans.:rolleyes:
Some employers view a degree as a perseverance test. Do it in 4 year - ok, you slammed it out. Do it in 6 years - we understand, you were busy and not everyone can do the slam. Stretch it out TOO long and you're viewed like Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny - "you schmuck, a 1000 monkey's given enough time could have passed the bar exam on their 6th attempt!"
 
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How would that work?
Give up local control and have statewide property tax and mandates?

Just drive your kids to a richer town for school every day?
Would single parent families and those where both parents work (that'd be most of them) even realistically be able to participate in such a thing?

You also gonna fund some regional bussing system for them or contract with greyhound or something?
It depends on the state.

You wouldn't have to give up the transfer vouchers in practice but it makes no sense to have that not just be part of the registration process. One computer program could eliminate the need for vouchers. And for all I know some states may already do that.

[That concludes my thoughts on that ATM. All this below is just extra, for a "state funded schools" scenario. ]

I'm a big fan of state level government and I wouldn't mind seeing school funding happen completely on a state level. Schools already have to teach what the state tells them to. All the decision making happens at the state level in SC, so I don't see why the funding shouldn't. Otherwise, let counties teach whatever they want; and that is actually a scary idea. I shudder at the though of what some counties would teach. Mine included.

A big hell no on the transportation. I don't see what's wrong with patents taking their kids to school if it's out of county. If the commute is too far then it's too far.

It makes no sense for rich communities to only want their community to have a good education. It's not like they are in a vacuum. People move constantly. It's beneficial for everyone if the whole country gets a good education.

Like I said though, it depends on the state. What's good for TX might be a disaster for SC.
 
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Arguably they might show up more - got those damn student loans.:rolleyes:
Some employers view a degree as a perseverance test. Do it in 4 year - ok, you slammed it out. Do it in 6 years - we understand, you were busy and not everyone can do the slam. Stretch it out TOO long and you're viewed like Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny - "you schmuck, a 1000 monkey's given enough time could have passed the bar exam on their 6th attempt!"
There's also a ready supply of foreign H1B holders with degrees ready to fill the void.
 
It depends on the state.

You wouldn't have to give up the transfer vouchers in practice but it makes no sense to have that not just be part of the registration process. One computer program could eliminate the need for vouchers. And for all I know some states may already do that.

[That concludes my thoughts on that ATM. All this below is just extra, for a "state funded schools" scenario. ]

I'm a big fan of state level government and I wouldn't mind seeing school funding happen completely on a state level. Schools already have to teach what the state tells them to. All the decision making happens at the state level in SC, so I don't see why the funding shouldn't. Otherwise, let counties teach whatever they want; and that is actually a scary idea. I shudder at the though of what some counties would teach. Mine included.

A big hell no on the transportation. I don't see what's wrong with patents taking their kids to school if it's out of county. If the commute is too far then it's too far.

It makes no sense for rich communities to only want their community to have a good education. It's not like they are in a vacuum. People move constantly. It's beneficial for everyone if the whole country gets a good education.

Like I said though, it depends on the state. What's good for TX might be a disaster for SC.

All I'd mention is the same could be said on a smaller scale in-state. What's good for suburbia may not be good for Hicksville may not be good for inner-city youth, etc.
 
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It makes no sense for rich communities to only want their community to have a good education. It's not like they are in a vacuum. People move constantly. It's beneficial for everyone if the whole country gets a good education.
But they often think like they are in a vacuum. "Somebody else will move, not us, our kids are going to finish school here." Go shopping at a Costco in a ritzy area, feel the soccer moms move through the parking lot like you are not even there. Vacuum.
 
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You know what's a better perseverance test? having a family to pay for. ;)
Unfortunately, a lot of employers use that to gently squeeze your balls with fear. "I hear you've been looking for another job - don't you have a sick kid? Would suck if you lost insurance coverage for a while and they had an medical emergency." Been there. Just one reason why I support the idea of universal health care coverage. Humanity being #1.
Married with children = captive employee audience.
 
All I'd mention is the same could be said on a smaller scale in-state. What's good for suburbia may not be good for Hicksville may not be good for inner-city youth, etc.
I agree for the most part. I feel like that is a bigger issue for more diverse and larger states. SC is not that diverse. We don't even have what I would call a big city. I can drive anywhere in my state with ease and everything is mostly the same county to county. Government has to sit somewhere. I like the state level. If I lived in California I would probably like it more localized.
 
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But they often think like they are in a vacuum. "Somebody else will move, not us, our kids are going to finish school here." Go shopping at a Costco in a ritzy area, feel the soccer moms move through the parking lot like you are not even there. Vacuum.
Ironic since you have to pay a membership to buy from Costco which supports it being in that location.
 
Unfortunately, a lot of employers use that to gently squeeze your balls with fear. "I hear you've been looking for another job - don't you have a sick kid? Would suck if you lost insurance coverage for a while and they had an medical emergency." Been there. Just one reason why I support the idea of universal health care coverage. Humanity being #1.
Sure, but there's so many other employers out there doing the exact opposite.

"This person's got a family. All I have to do is treat them fairly and I can keep them around for a long time."

I told my old employer (both of my last two employers actually) to go fuck themselves. the first was just an asshole & is dead now. the 2nd used me for an ATM and, to this day, can't figure out why his business is barely making $$. All I asked him for was a fair cut in the $ I was bring in. His response was always "the other reps don't bring in as much as you do so they need a bigger % of their monthly gross. You don't need as high of a percentage because you're bringing in so much more." me: "So why do you get it?" I was always told not to look at it that way. So when I left he wanted to have a big pow-wow. We sat down, he told me he lost his best 3 reps (2 were trained by me, I was the 3rd) and didn't know why. I told him that he & I had talked about it a lot in the past, but that now, he shouldn't look at us leaving that way. That he helped other people become self sufficient. THAT didn't go over well. :lol:
 
Ironic since you have to pay a membership to buy from Costco which supports it being in that location.
You can use the membership anywhere, from the land of working stiffs to the land of doctors and lawyers. But seriously, the demeanor of the shoppers is very different in a high-end area. You can feel the chill if you're a working stiff and look the part. My previous house was in the lowest priced neighborhood of one of those ritzier areas(Bloomfield Hills, MI). My wife and I would compare stories of close calls with bitches driving Mercedes SUVs in the parking lot of Costco.
 
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You can use the membership anywhere, from the land of working stiffs to the land of doctors and lawyers. But seriously, the demeanor of the shoppers is very different in a high-end area. You can feel the chill if you're a working stiff and look the part. My previous house was in the lowest priced neighborhood of one of those ritzier areas(Bloomfield Hills, MI). My wife and I would compare stories of close calls with bitches driving Mercedes SUVs in the parking lot of Costco.
I wouldn't know. They don't let me in the ritzy neighborhoods. I have to drive around them.
 
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