WTF Bad boys, Bad boys, whatcha gonna do

I’m sorry, but cops know tricks. They know that a human body, when the arm is pulled too far up towards the head while face down on the ground under the guise of “detaining”, will automatically react almost involuntarily to get the arm back into a position that doesn’t hurt. Auto-self preservation.

I’ve known a lot of cops. They will admit that this is one way to increase charges. Yes, there are good ones, and most of them are. But I’ve known cops who shouldn’t be cops and some of their “brothers” will admit that.
 
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King Wickie said:
you idiots almost always claim cop shootings are bad and side with the criminals. Even when it comes out the people were resisting and non compliant you still say dumb shit like well they still didn't have to shoot em.
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Recently, a cop shot a guy who was behaving wildly. He was on the job alone as a new hire and failed to reach for his taser first.

They don’t always have to use lethal force. Don’t be a moron.
 
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King Wickie said:
You guys know how the left claims that the media and sites like wshh promote racism and stero types when they show videos of black males fighting/acting a fool/etc? This is the same shit you do to cops. you Cherry pick the stories of bad cops to try and make all cops look like that.
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No one is doing that. You are inflating it to meet your feelings.
 
wetwille said:
It's hard to train for every possibility.
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But not impossible.

Let’s see.

A guy with two months on the job gets a call about a man acting crazy on a roadside. He gets to the scene, interacts with the man, who jumps on the cruiser and off again, trudges back and forth yelling, and starts towards the cop.

About 12 feet away, the cop pulls his gun and shoots him dead.

Totally a training issue. Think about how Navy Seals are trained. They run the same drill repeatedly until the right action becomes second nature.

Cops don’t train like that. They may have at some point, but not anymore.

And why is a cop with less than 3 months on the job in a cruiser BY HIMSELF anyway? They don’t do the in LA.
 
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HipHugHer said:
A cop is a damn far cry from the elite of the elite military dudes.
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Okay, fuck it. You guys are all correct. No training will serve them or us any better. No sense in even interviewing anyone, let’s just give everyone a badge who wants one.

Actually, your reply means zilch to me because you think we can police outselves. Nothing personal though. We simply disagree.
 
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Immigrant said:
Now I’m fucking pissed off and I have to question why.

There is no reason to emulate the military training. The cops already use the gear. Let’s give em tanks also, and no training whatsoever.
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You're right about the training stuff.
Was just taking a stab at the SEAL comment.

I wouldn't drill cops that way. They're dealing with citizens, not enemies. The situations are all different.
They're supposed to do what they can to de-escalate things, and if that doesn't work, go just to whatever level of force is needed to get somebody under control, not go straight from diplomacy to guns.
 
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Immigrant said:
But not impossible.

Let’s see.

A guy with two months on the job gets a call about a man acting crazy on a roadside. He gets to the scene, interacts with the man, who jumps on the cruiser and off again, trudges back and forth yelling, and starts towards the cop.

About 12 feet away, the cop pulls his gun and shoots him dead.

Totally a training issue. Think about how Navy Seals are trained. They run the same drill repeatedly until the right action becomes second nature.

Cops don’t train like that. They may have at some point, but not anymore.

And why is a cop with less than 3 months on the job in a cruiser BY HIMSELF anyway? They don’t do the in LA.
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I agree with all of this @Immigrant, better training would certainly help. Shooting that guy was totally unnecessary - even if he was damaging the cruiser he wasn't an imminent threat to anyone. No taser? Wait for backup and take him down physically? They have various plastic shields and such made for the job.

The guy didn't shot in the following story - at least one of the cops had exemplary training imo.
I'm on mid-class break at college, in a small vending area off a stairwell.
Two campus cops, who carry guns, quickly cross the foyer area and launch down the stairwell. Everybody else leaves, I was curious because there was yelling.
Cops and a young guy come up stairs, he is struggling to get away from them - makes a run for it when HE gets up to the foyer area.
One cops catches an arm an the fight is on - at one point the dude gets the cops gun maybe a foot out of the holster. His partner has TOTALLY FROZE.
The cop that was fighting the guy gets control of the gun back:egads:. I decided that shit needs to stop and tackled the young guy. And helped hold him as we screamed at the dude who froze "put on the fucking cuffs".

If the young dude had got shot I would have felt bad, but he went for the gun. Bummer about the mental dude on the roadside.
 
HipHugHer said:
You're right about the training stuff.
Was just taking a stab at the SEAL comment.

I wouldn't drill cops that way. They're dealing with citizens, not enemies. The situations are all different.
They're supposed to do what they can to de-escalate things, and if that doesn't work, go just to whatever level of force is needed to get somebody under control, not go straight from diplomacy to guns.
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Yeah, I think I was meaning more emphasis on actual training and the way the Seals (my poor example) repeat stuff so much it practically becomes muscle memory.

The example I gave later would’ve been prevented had he instinctively reached for his taser first.
 
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wetwille said:
I agree with all of this @Immigrant, better training would certainly help. Shooting that guy was totally unnecessary - even if he was damaging the cruiser he wasn't an imminent threat to anyone. No taser? Wait for backup and take him down physically? They have various plastic shields and such made for the job.

The guy didn't shot in the following story - at least one of the cops had exemplary training imo.
I'm on mid-class break at college, in a small vending area off a stairwell.
Two campus cops, who carry guns, quickly cross the foyer area and launch down the stairwell. Everybody else leaves, I was curious because there was yelling.
Cops and a young guy come up stairs, he is struggling to get away from them - makes a run for it when HE gets up to the foyer area.
One cops catches an arm an the fight is on - at one point the dude gets the cops gun maybe a foot out of the holster. His partner has TOTALLY FROZE.
The cop that was fighting the guy gets control of the gun back:egads:. I decided that shit needs to stop and tackled the young guy. And helped hold him as we screamed at the dude who froze "put on the fucking cuffs".

If the young dude had got shot I would have felt bad, but he went for the gun. Bummer about the mental dude on the roadside.
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Good example of a time when lethal action would’ve been completely justified.

I’m assuming by “college”, you meant over 30 years ago. I’m afraid they wouldn’t do things that way anymore, more like just shoot and we’ll figure shit out later.
 
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