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At what point do you stop applying that logic? After three experiments? Three hundred? Three Thousand?
At what point do you stop applying that logic? After three experiments? Three hundred? Three Thousand?
Are your poor just unmotivated and your wealthy born motivated or do you have entrenched barriers?
The point I'm making is that the complacency being shown about it doesn't recognise just how motivated it appears you need to be to drag yourself out of poverty in America. The lie is that all men are created equal. It's less true in America than in most developed countries and for those whove had to make a moderate effort to denigrate those who would need to put exceptional effort in to achieve the same things is smug and to a degree ignorant. Why should you have to be exceptional to raise yourself to 'average' because you weren't born with the advantages of even the average? Are the 65% who manage to remain in the top 65% better motivated or is there an inbuilt unfairness that is hard to overcome?
that's a false choice. Anyone can be motivated. You don't need to be exceptional. I deal with dumbshit business owners every day. I just had a conversation with a supplier who couldn't believe a guy that he and I are getting equipment/money for is as brain dead as he is. I told the supplier "this just means anyone can make it. Absolutely anyone."The point I'm making is that the complacency being shown about it doesn't recognise just how motivated it appears you need to be to drag yourself out of poverty in America. The lie is that all men are created equal. It's less true in America than in most developed countries and for those whove had to make a moderate effort to denigrate those who would need to put exceptional effort in to achieve the same things is smug and to a degree ignorant. Why should you have to be exceptional to raise yourself to 'average' because you weren't born with the advantages of even the average?
They come from a more motivated environment. The people around them repeatedly tell them they can do better, there's another great opportunity, etc. the lower class doesn't have that. They have a gov't that says 'we'll lower the cost of your houseing and subsidize your food. Where's the motivation in that? I read somewhere that during the last month of unemployment, somehow, a huge percentage of unemployed get jobs at or near their original paying job. Why not take that job 6 mos earlier instead of living on 40% of the salary? Because they're not motivated. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with 'exceptional' and more to do with 'I don't have to.'Are the 65% who manage to remain in the top 65% better motivated or is there an inbuilt unfairness that is hard to overcome?
I read somewhere that during the last month of unemployment, somehow, a huge percentage of unemployed get jobs at or near their original paying job. Why not take that job 6 mos earlier instead of living on 40% of the salary? Because they're not motivated.
Like I said, pipe dreamare you gonna send a tech out every time it breaks?
Or to upgrade every PC in every home every 5 years?
nah man. Putting a connection in every house is one thing.
Putting a mandatory PC in every house is a completely other thing that the government should have zero business in.
Do YOu want to be the guy going into a drug den to fix their PC while they are cooking meth?
Or even into some homes that filled with cockroaches and shit?
nah man. nah.
Let's generalize an anecdote and pretend it applies to everyone!See, I think you can see these guys are suddenly motivated. But if you're brought up in a culture of 'we just do it this way' 'there's no money for that,' you almost need two people to motivate each other to get out. Otherwise you're surrounded by a whole bunch of 'we just do it this way' 'there's no money for that.' & tbh, that's not a completely bad attitude. When I look at a yacht in a marina, or the new benz in the parking lot of the marina, or the massive home sitting on the lake, that's exactly what I think. I've brought myself to an income level that's good for me. Could I rework my life to get more? Maybe. But I'm not entirely motivated right now.
Like I said, pipe dream
It is not easy to get those grants. There are far more qualified applicants than there us funding to dole out.yea but to get a decent uni education here it's easy to get grants/loans/whatever if you're from a poor background and got decent grades in school, decent SAT/ACT scores. the doors are wide open... not sure what more you can do. goes back to that whole motivation thing.
the opportunities are there to be middle class, it's not something impossible to obtain. lots of working middle class jobs are available for those with minimal education too, i worked with a lot of guys at UPS who made decent money for their education level and were solid middle class for the midwest. anything in the construction industry, electricians, pipe fitters, sheet metal workers, etc. got in on apprenticeships, went to classes funded by their local, etc. and make damn good money. i've also worked with a lot of people in my career who came out of the military with highly marketable job skills (electrical techs, a few controls and mechanical guys). it's relatively easy to get into the middle class... the people who bitch about it disappearing are those with associates in economics who are discovering middle management positions in america are in fact, dead, because companies realized it was worthless overhead.
Why do you think that culture exists? It's because most prior in poverty are the result of generations of oppression and exploitation. They weren't given many other options.it's a cultural thing. a large % of our impoverished have a live hard die a young rap star mentality. be jay z or go bust, anyone else is a sellout and brought down. the guys who turn in their homework or try to get into college turn into outcasts...
the middle class aims to be the middle class and encourages their peers to do so instead of trying to tear them back down. middle class is praised for going to school, getting an education, or getting a job and learning a skill. the ones who don't do anything turn into outcasts...
i've given plenty of examples of how education or job training is widely available. nobody can ever tell me exactly how we are "keeping" anyone down.
I still don't understand why it is expensive to be a transvestite.
Lets study everyone as an individual using two other people per person studied -of course paid for by the governments endless $ supply - so there's no bias, classifying, so we can double check results, hell, let's triple check, and not apply any results to anything 'cuz in the end there's more than enough people making excuses, and more than enough people making up even more excuses for them.Let's generalize an anecdote and pretend it applies to everyone!
*why* are you less likely to have that education?
august claims it's because of absentee parents busy working, but since half of the impoverished only work part time if at all i'm guessing that's not the case.
you claim it's underfunded schools, i already pointed out the kcmo school district disaster where extremely overfunded schools ended up losing their accreditation.
i say it's cultural. you can blame that culture on whatever you want but many different subsets of people in the US where oppressed and exploited, like the irish. or the germans. or any other major immigrant group from the early 1800's through whenever... nobody here likes history that doesn't fit into their viewpoint though. i assume you're specifically talking about our black population, but they don't account for 100% of our impoverished population. the asian's in america faced the same obstacles but they certainly excelled.