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he should have said "debt" instead of "credit cards" but the point still stands. remember, these folks are usually so tight on money that when they get sick they're in debt to the hospital. when they need a vehicle they can't afford to drop $1000 on a used civic, they instead have to go to a "buy here pay here" place that will put them in further debt and take more of their money. when that car breaks down guess who's getting a payday loan because it's either that or lose their job due to lack of transportation. the poor are in debt, that doesn't mean they have an abundance of credit cards

I sure don't see how it would benefit the upper class to have an entire section of the population beholden to debt. I sure don't see how it would benefit them to have what is essentially slavery in the form of the private prison industry which can keep itself stuffed simply be enforcing laws on poor people differently. I sure don't see how keeping a section of the population under-educated and malnourished could be useful for the class of people that exploit their labor and trust for profit margins.

nope, can't see that at all

Dude, all this doom and gloom for a subset of the population with so little money. It's like you're saying all the big corporations with their billions are laser focused on picking up the change left in teh street. Dude, there's no money in 'poor' for the big guys. And trying to blame 'lending' as a whole is a crock. Lending has been around as long as prostitution. Just like the big bad lenders, the prostitutes are to blame. We get it.:p
 
*why* are you less likely to have that education?

august claims it's because of absentee parents busy working, but since half of the impoverished only work part time if at all i'm guessing that's not the case.
I didn't say that was THE reason, just that it's not ALL that parents don't care

and idk what you're taking about with half of them working part time or not at all, do you have figures for that? yeah, they have party time jobs because that's what you can get for minimum wage, but you work 2 or 3 of them. I was working two, and even with food stamps I still just managed to barely break even on rent and utilities and travel expenses every month
 
There are a lot of reasons why, the reason august stated is one of them. The fact that schools in those areas are often underfunded is another.

One example of a school system screwing up its funding does not invalidate the fact that underfunded schools in poor areas are a significant obstacle to a good education. Your KCMO anecdote is not relevant.

You say it's cultural but you ignore why that culture is the way it is. All the other groups you mentioned were oppressed into the 1800s. The people we're talking about are the children and grandchildren of people who couldn't go to white schools. Don't pretend the irish faced anything like what blacks have in the US.

I'm talking about our black population because they do account for a lot of the impoverished but poor people living in those areas will be affected regardless of their race.

The fact that you say "the asians" faced the same obstacles is telling. It was primarily centered on a specific nationality and the bulk of chinese in the US are not descendant from the slaves that built the nation's railroads.

That culture you keep referring to that is keeping poor people poor is American culture as a whole. It's not a specific one to those areas, it's a systemic and institutional obstacle being created by all class levels.
or how about that their grandparents couldn't get mortgages, they had predatory loans where their payments gave no equity and one missed payment meant they could be evicted.

If Emmett Till hadn't been killed (and the killers got away with it even when it was well known that they did it), he could have grandkids my age, my grandparents were children when it was acceptable to brutalize and kill a child for allegedly whistling at white woman. this is fucking recent history, this is not "ah, you know, different times and all" like someone you meet, some old white dude you meet could have done this. not you, you know, but people keep trying to make all this out to be like "dude slavery ended forever ago stop griping, this is a post racial society, jeez"
 
and plot ffs stop with the "white guilt" shit. if you think it's supposed to make you feel guilty, that's on you, but the point of discussing it is to figure out how to move past it, not to feel bad, and whining about white guilt every time is a thought terminating cliche
 
I don't care if you feel guilty, or anyone else. your feelings, and this may come as a shock to you, matter very little to me. shit exists, however, regardless of your feelings.
 
Brony is full of white guilt. He's desperate to pin the blame of the plight of the impoverished on the white man and the rich keeping them down. It's somehow everyone else's fault for someone's situation, I've heard nothing but excuses for them obj this thread and why they aren't responsible for their own situation. Maybe they aren't, but neither are we.
 
Brony is full of white guilt. He's desperate to pin the blame of the plight of the impoverished on the white man and the rich keeping them down. It's somehow everyone else's fault for someone's situation, I've heard nothing but excuses for them obj this thread and why they aren't responsible for their own situation. Maybe they aren't, but neither are we.
I think this goes hand in hand with 'liberal' solutions. The person having the problem, Party A, isn't responsible for the problem. Someone else, Party B, is. And as a natural liberal, Party C, they should be the arbiter of how Party B should solve party A's problem.
 
Dude, all this doom and gloom for a subset of the population with so little money. It's like you're saying all the big corporations with their billions are laser focused on picking up the change left in teh street. Dude, there's no money in 'poor' for the big guys. And trying to blame 'lending' as a whole is a crock. Lending has been around as long as prostitution. Just like the big bad lenders, the prostitutes are to blame. We get it.:p
Who does the lending?

The people with money to lend (or obtain securities that cover the money loaned.)

Who applies for loans?

The people without the money.

I don't know the last time you looked at the cost of education, but to go to an accredited school, can cost up to $40,000 for a Bachelors Degree. And that's the inexpensive rate. And to actually get approved for a low income grant, you have to be really super low income. A few years back, my sister was looking to go to Cal State Fullerton (CSF). But she didn't have any money. My dad who had been job hunting for a year and a half, had a part time job working 20 hours a week making about $15/hour. My mom had no job due to a disability. All together, they were lucky to pull in $20k/year. In SoCal, they couldn't even afford low income housing without living in section 8, so they lived with my grandparents. Even then, my sister didn't qualify for the low income grants. This forced her to get a job part time and go to a community college instead, where she has to transfer to CSF to get the degree she's looking to get. This might have more to do with the fact that Commiefornia is allowing illegal citizens to go to college for the in state tuition costs instead of out of state costs, but that's a whole different topic.

So where does that leave her? She has to apply for loans. At CSF, in state tuition is about 10K /year. If she can complete her degree in two years, she'll have at LEAST 20K in loans (plus accrued interest) , and that's if she decides to live off campus.

Also, I should mention that high school counselors don't really do a good job of discouraging students from taking out $50,000 in student loans for degrees in Dance and Art. And while yes, they are legit degrees, it's my opinion that they shouldn't be considered a major field of study.
 
There's so many people who think "it's not my fault so it's not my problem and I shouldn't have to worry about it." We shouldn't be sitting around trying to point fingers. We have identified a problem and now we have to think of solutions. It's much more productive. At least brony had an idea. It was completely unworkable without a foundation, but at least it's a thought. We have established that poor people have less opportunities and there is a cycle of poverty that's difficult to break away from. We complain that we don't like all the government assistance we hand out and we point figures at the lazy poor people. We've established time and time again that the lazy poor are the minority among the poor as a whole. We have more children, disabled people, elderly, mentally ill people, and underemployed or low income people than we do lazy people by a very large margin. So now we just have to decide what to do about this problem we have where we aren't happy to care for those less able. Either we accept it and consider lazy people "acceptable losses" or we propose a solution. Bitching about it solves absolutely nothing. We accept that we need ditch diggers but if we need them and we accept that we need to accept that we need them to stay alive and live reasonably comfortably, so we are going to have to pay them better wages or give them extra food. They won't have enough energy to dig ditches if they are malnourished. I think we have a responsibility as humans to care for those less fortunate. It's not my fault but it certainly is my problem.
 
Saying poor people exist doesn't make it a problem. It's simply a fact.

But it's a problem for you. Clearly. You are the type that complains about SNAP, TANF, and Medicaid and having it come out of YOUR taxes. I'm not complaining. I'm happy to help people who don't have enough money feed their kids. I'm happy to help cracky the crackhead on the corner get more crack. I don't care. I'm not complaining about helping them. If it were up to me we'd stop spending so much money on foreign wars and start spending more money on needy children. I haven't identified a problem. You have.