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Earlier this month, the Pew Research Center released a study that found that most wealthy Americans believed “poor people today have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything in return.”

This is an infuriatingly obtuse view of what it means to be poor in this country — the soul-rending omnipresence of worry and fear, of weariness and fatigue. This can be the view only of those who have not known — or have long forgotten — what poverty truly means.

“Easy” is a word not easily spoken among the poor. Things are hard — the times are hard, the work is hard, the way is hard. “Easy” is for uninformed explanations issued by the willfully callous and the haughtily blind.

Allow me to explain, as James Baldwin put it, a few illustrations of “how extremely expensive it is to be poor.”

First, many poor people work, but they just don’t make enough to move out of poverty — an estimated 11 million Americans fall into this category.

So, as the Pew report pointed out, “more than half of the least secure group reports receiving at least one type of means-tested government benefit.”

And yet, whatever the poor earn is likely to be more heavily taxed than the earnings of wealthier citizens, according to a new analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. As The New York Times put it last week:

“According to the study, in 2015 the poorest fifth of Americans will pay on average 10.9 percent of their income in state and local taxes, the middle fifth will pay 9.4 percent and the top 1 percent will average 5.4 percent.”

In addition, many low-income people are “unbanked” (not served by a financial institution), and thus nearly eaten alive by exorbitant fees. As the St. Louis Federal Reserve pointed out in 2010:


“Unbanked consumers spend approximately 2.5 to 3 percent of a government benefits check and between 4 percent and 5 percent of payroll check just to cash them. Additional dollars are spent to purchase money orders to pay routine monthly expenses. When you consider the cost for cashing a bi-weekly payroll check and buying about six money orders each month, a household with a net income of $20,000 may pay as much as $1,200 annually for alternative service fees — substantially more than the expense of a monthly checking account.”

Even when low-income people can become affiliated with a bank, those banks are increasingly making them pay “steep rates for loans and high fees on basic checking accounts,” as The Times’s DealBook blog put it last year.

And poor people can have a hard time getting credit. As The Washington Post put it, the excesses of the subprime boom have led conventional banks to stay away from the riskiest borrowers, leaving them “all but cut off from access to big loans, like mortgages.”

One way to move up the ladder and out of poverty is through higher education, but even that is not without disproportionate costs. As theInstitute for College Access and Success noted in March:

“Graduates who received Pell Grants, most of whom had family incomes under $40,000, were much more likely to borrow and to borrow more. Among graduating seniors who ever received a Pell Grant, 88 percent had student loans in 2012, with an average of $31,200 per borrower. In contrast, 53 percent of those who never received a Pell Grant had debt, with an average of $26,450 per borrower.”

And often, work or school requires transportation, which can be another outrageous expense. According to the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights:

“Low- and moderate-income households spend 42 percent of their total annual income on transportation, including those who live in rural areas, as compared to middle-income households, who spend less than 22 percent of their annual income on transportation.”

And besides, having a car can make prime targets of the poor. Onepernicious practice that the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. — and the protests that followed — resurfaced was the degree to which some local municipalities profit from police departments targeting poor communities, with a raft of stops, fines, summonses and arrests supported by police actions and complicit courts.

As NPR reported in August:

“In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations.”

The story continued:

“ArchCity Defenders, a St. Louis-area public defender group, says in its report that more than half the courts in St. Louis County engage in the ‘illegal and harmful practices’ of charging high court fines and fees on nonviolent offenses like traffic violations — and then arresting people when they don’t pay.”

The list of hardships could go on for several more columns, but you get the point: Being poor is anything but easy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/opinion/charles-blow-how-expensive-it-is-to-be-poor.html?_r=1

I started my taxes last night and being self-employed, I owe money which I planned to happen anyways. I noticed that the IRS offers for people to pay in installments, but to do that you have to pay a fee to set it up. $120 for a standard agreement, $52 for direct deposit, and if your income is low enough, the fee is $42.

ib @Amstel says that its the poor peoples fault.

It's fascinating how this country works hard to keep the poor, poor. I'm not saying all poor people are trying to better themselves, but we can't blanket them all under the poor loser category.

What are some other ways that the poor are held down by our society?

(and yes, I found this link on Reddit, thought it was super interesting)
 
I made the contributions every paycheck to my own account instead of the government and will pay a lump sum during tax season.

If only I made enough to make much of a difference for interest savings.
 
yeah, no shit. the poor in america are treated like shit and half of them are taught by their conservative media outlets that they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. they're told to vote for things that specifically harm them because doing otherwise is dirty librul socialism so the muslims can take over

they can't wait for a sale or buy things in bulk, they have to spend their money as soon as they get it. they don't have emergency funds so when something happens it's more difficult for them to handle it and often end up having to take payday loans that rob them blind

only complete assholes think that the poor have it good in the US. fuck those selfish people. I can't respect those who equate virtue to one's net worth
 
i'm sure everyone here will disagree with me, but half of the shit listed in that article is basically lack of personal responsibility.

bad credit? we all start out with no credit and either end up good or bad through our own choices. leads to being unbanked? i guess.

higher education? i would like to see a study on where student loans go. what gets a lot of people under water is they take out loans to pay for rent or whatever else while in school.. i know it's anecdotal but i had zero assistance from my parents, i also had no responsibilities (ie: didn't have kids at 17), so i was able to get roommates and work while i went to school full time and stay above water. graduated with student loans, but graduated... you're not gonna convince me anyone else in my position couldn't have done the same thing regardless of their background. well, they may have struggled more in college because of shit education growing up (whole different thread), but i'm not sure how you can claim this system is so horrible broken when kids getting free money end up with more loans somehow. why is that exactly?

the transportation issue... transportation costs are pretty much level for everyone, so of course it's a larger portion of poor peoples income. unless you live in a city with decent public transportation (like NYC or Chicago), you're pretty much fucked here. so yea, the best way to help everyone here is to work on our public transportation infrastructure. the poor people in rural areas will either need to move close to a train station or deal with it. kind of a dick attitude, but heh.

driving violations. really? gonna blame that one on the middle class or the rich? i only speed now because i know i can afford the ticket. :D however i do think money from traffic violations should go to either driver education or some kind of public defender fund instead of to whatever the city chooses. it's shady as fuck.

i'm glad i'm not poor, not having to worry about money much and having a safety net fund is a huuuuuge fucking stress reliever.
 
i'm sure everyone here will disagree with me, but half of the shit listed in that article is basically lack of personal responsibility.

bad credit? we all start out with no credit and either end up good or bad through our own choices. leads to being unbanked? i guess.

higher education? i would like to see a study on where student loans go. what gets a lot of people under water is they take out loans to pay for rent or whatever else while in school.. i know it's anecdotal but i had zero assistance from my parents, i also had no responsibilities (ie: didn't have kids at 17), so i was able to get roommates and work while i went to school full time and stay above water. graduated with student loans, but graduated... you're not gonna convince me anyone else in my position couldn't have done the same thing regardless of their background. well, they may have struggled more in college because of shit education growing up (whole different thread), but i'm not sure how you can claim this system is so horrible broken when kids getting free money end up with more loans somehow. why is that exactly?

the transportation issue... transportation costs are pretty much level for everyone, so of course it's a larger portion of poor peoples income. unless you live in a city with decent public transportation (like NYC or Chicago), you're pretty much fucked here. so yea, the best way to help everyone here is to work on our public transportation infrastructure. the poor people in rural areas will either need to move close to a train station or deal with it. kind of a dick attitude, but heh.

driving violations. really? gonna blame that one on the middle class or the rich? i only speed now because i know i can afford the ticket. :D however i do think money from traffic violations should go to either driver education or some kind of public defender fund instead of to whatever the city chooses. it's shady as fuck.

i'm glad i'm not poor, not having to worry about money much and having a safety net fund is a huuuuuge fucking stress reliever.
I do disagree with a lot of your points. I don't think the article addressed bad credit at all. Just lack of bank accounts held by poorer people. Many can't keep minimum balances and have to pay high fees and if they can't afford the fees they can't keep the account.

As for transportation, poorer people actually do wind up paying more on average because they can't buy more reliable and efficient cars. They wind up spending more on repairs and fuel than richer people. Also you say rural people should move to be closer to public transportation , but it's less likely they will be able to afford to move

I don't know a lot about student loans. Perhaps less fortunate people get higher interest rates? No clue. I was lucky enough to never have to take a loan.

I think with the traffic stops, I think there's a lot of data to show that there is a disproportionate amount of fines levied on poorer people and they can't afford them so they wind up with more fines. It's profiling at its finest. It could be for things like crossing the white line or having a headlight out or a number of other things that we all do that isn't just speeding related.
 
especially when poor people are barred from commuting here in maryland if they didnt take drivers ed in highschool, by merit of being poor.

800-900 bucks to get your license if you didnt get it when you were 16. Complete bullshit, keeps jobless and homeless people jobless and homeless.
 
I started my taxes last night and being self-employed, I owe money which I planned to happen anyways. I noticed that the IRS offers for people to pay in installments, but to do that you have to pay a fee to set it up. $120 for a standard agreement, $52 for direct deposit, and if your income is low enough, the fee is $42.

ib @Amstel says that its the poor peoples fault.

It's fascinating how this country works hard to keep the poor, poor. I'm not saying all poor people are trying to better themselves, but we can't blanket them all under the poor loser category.

What are some other ways that the poor are held down by our society?

(and yes, I found this link on Reddit, thought it was super interesting)

No No No.

Obama took care of all of this. Where have you been? Unicorns and Rainbows for everyone. I got the memo. We're on a roll now.

All of these problems were solved with ObamaCareMigrationPhoneSNAPRecoveryReinvestmentActIhaveAPen

How much time do you goofs have to whine here making your own feel good "I have a cause" "I feel yer pain" statements?

Don't save any of this whining for me. I don't like the taste and it's not bringing in any extra $ at the end of the month.
 
Let's just stick with this one and see if our left handers can see how the 'fail' is replicated by gov't over and over and over areas too.
I don't know a lot about student loans. Perhaps less fortunate people get higher interest rates? No clue. I was lucky enough to never have to take a loan.

Instead of getting lower cost gov't institutions [an example might be our PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM], the government employees came up with this great scam for citizens who want to go to the government institutions [an example might be our PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM] to take out MASSIVE LOANS so they can go, and then be burdened with them for 20 years after they start earning a little money.

It sounds a fucking awful lot like this:
it's more difficult for them to handle it and often end up having to take payday loans that rob them blind