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[Mr. Argumentor]

Yes because one method always works on all children - yes I'm being just as condescending sounding as your post was

I think you do need to define punishment though, because to my child going to the back of a line while talking too much is punishment while others might view it as consequence. Same thing in my mind really.

There are multiple ways of implementing a certain method. You can tailor that method to the specific child, unfortunately it is easier to smack them and tell them to sit down and shut up. For some reason people are opposed to work, so everyone thinks that punishing a child is the optimum way to get them to straighten up.

 

[helenabear]

There are multiple ways of implementing a certain method. You can tailor that method to the specific child, unfortunately it is easier to smack them and tell them to sit down and shut up. For some reason people are opposed to work, so everyone thinks that punishing a child is the optimum way to get them to straighten up.

I'm not about to argue what is right and what is wrong. However not everyone believes that being overly gentle is the proper way. We've seen such a shift to that method that some people think we're raising a bunch of pussies who cannot do a thing for themselves.

So just keep in mind that it isn't that people find one way more work, some truly don't believe that what you are stating is a good method. They feel others are better.

again not arguing what is right or not because honestly, that's a stupid thing to do as no one will agree (look how many parenting books there are out there). Just saying that people may not like your methods because they don't agree with your ideas as being effective.

Bringing up studies doesn't always help either because so many studies can be done proving a point no matter what you want it to be.

 

[APRIL]

I'm not about to argue what is right and what is wrong. However not everyone believes that being overly gentle is the proper way. We've seen such a shift to that method that some people think we're raising a bunch of pussies who cannot do a thing for themselves.

So just keep in mind that it isn't that people find one way more work, some truly don't believe that what you are stating is a good method. They feel others are better.

again not arguing what is right or not because honestly, that's a stupid thing to do as no one will agree (look how many parenting books there are out there). Just saying that people may not like your methods because they don't agree with your ideas as being effective.

Bringing up studies doesn't always help either because so many studies can be done proving a point no matter what you want it to be.

His girlfriend works with children so he's an expert.

 

[helenabear]

His girlfriend works with children so he's an expert.

Ah gotcha - thanks

 

[Coqui]

That's cool. You could believe 2+2=5, doesn't mean it is. What I said has been empirically proven.
There are better teaching techniques, and better behavior molding techniques than punishment.
Public shaming can work, but the variables necessary for that are usually lacking, so overall it is ineffective.

Class starts in 5, might be able to continue

2+2 does = 5 (for extremely large values of 2)

 

[Coqui]

Punishment - an unfavorable stimuli following an unwanted event or behavior.
Positive Punishment is adding an unfavorable stimuli, such as your hand to their ass
Negative Punishment is removing something that the individual enjoys, such as recess.

Reinforcement works better than punishment. It is easier to implement and more forgiving.

Can you give me an example of a positive and a negative reinforcement?

 

[123]

Yes because one method always works on all children

This is my biggest gripe with armchair parents. 99% of them think there's a single way to raise any given child, which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Duke]

This is my biggest gripe with armchair parents. 99% of them think there's a single way to raise any given child, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Ironic coming from the man who thinks his opinion is always the right one.

 

[123]

Ironic coming from the man who thinks his opinion is always the right one.

Yes, everyone else here thinks their opinions are wrong.

 

[Duke]

Yes, everyone else here thinks their opinions are wrong.

That's not the point and you know it.

 

[123]

That's not the point and you know it.

fuck off douche.

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

I was gonna respond to the long post above, but you seem to have made up your mind about any hard information I may post before I do so.

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

His girlfriend works with children so he's an expert.

Make any money today, bum?

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

Can you give me an example of a positive and a negative reinforcement?

Positive - giving praise or a treat for behavior you want to continue.
Negative breaks down into sub groups, there is Escape and another I cant remember.
Escape - This doesn't really fit, but the best example I can think of now is hitting ignore to stop a phone from ringing.
The other is actively working to prevent something unwanted, going to work to make sure you have money for bills.

You could probably find better online by looking for Operant Conditioning

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

This is my biggest gripe with armchair parents. 99% of them think there's a single way to raise any given child, which couldn't be further from the truth.

I dont think anyone said that, the most I said was that there are better ones than punishment

 

[APRIL]

Make any money today, bum?

Yes.

I could say the same about you.

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

Yes.

I could say the same about you.

I make money every day I dont fail a class.

 

[helenabear]

I dont think anyone said that, the most I said was that there are better ones than punishment

I think the point is this statement is your *opinion* Yes you will find studies to back it up, but there are studies about a lot of things and even within studies there are deviations as well all know.

As a parent I'll say nothing is black and white to me. Most things are a mix of ideas and I change my methods depending on the situation.

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

I think the point is this statement is your *opinion* Yes you will find studies to back it up, but there are studies about a lot of things and even within studies there are deviations as well all know.

As a parent I'll say nothing is black and white to me. Most things are a mix of ideas and I change my methods depending on the situation.

It isn't my opinion, it is the opinion of literally thousands of professionals that change children's behavior daily. Professionals that dont get paid if they don't produce results. More than that, it is a fact.

You have made up your mind that any study I post will be biased when I have not posted any. May I ask why you have closed off your mind to scientific evidence?

 

[helenabear]

It isn't my opinion, it is the opinion of literally thousands of professionals that change children's behavior daily. Professionals that dont get paid if they don't produce results. More than that, it is a fact.

You have made up your mind that any study I post will be biased when I have not posted any. May I ask why you have closed off your mind to scientific evidence?

Sigh... did I not say I change my methods? That means I am not closed minded

I've read lots of studies on different subjects relating to family interactions, racial interactions and how divorce affects children. There were some trends in some studies but really you can still cherry pick what you want out of studies. People are often swayed by personal opinion before they even begin the studies. With most studies like that the results are open to interpretation unlike doing scientific studies on chemical reactions where the results are obvious numbers. Even then certain outside factors (human error) have to be taken into consideration.

To say I am not open to scientific study is absurd though since you have no clue what I do to form my opinion. You don't even know what my opinion is other than to say I blend and adapt to the situation.

You have your ideas based on what you have read, I have mine. I also base mine on actual experience of living with a child and I have noticed while watching other children that what works for one child may not work for another.

Personally you sound a bit more closed minded since you can't admit that maybe a certain method might work for a specific child, while that same method may not work at all on others.

With that I'm kind of done. I feel like this is a brick wall argument and I really can't add much else other than say we'll have to agree to disagree and move on.