"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction..."

CletusJones said:
Early plastics were still OK for the most part. It's when standards were lowered and all manufacturing was shipped to China that things became poorly made and disposable.
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From what I have heard, the Chinese have no problem making quality parts, it is when US engineers get lazy and don't specify that this part needs heat treating, or needs to meet this standard that they make bad parts.

From what I remember, the problem with the transmissions in the new Mustangs was traced back to an engineer that did not specify that a few parts need to meet a specific standard, and the reason he did not was that "anyone in the US fabricating these parts would know what standards they needed to meet"
 
CletusJones said:
Early plastics were still OK for the most part. It's when standards were lowered and all manufacturing was shipped to China that things became poorly made and disposable.
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I agree, plastic is not the core of the problem. Now, the choice of plastic, and more importantly, the thickness, is very relevant to quality. And what tends to get reduced in china manufacturing is both of those elements.

"plastic" which feels more like rubber, like on the stanley fatmax tools is excellent
 
CletusJones said:
I hate when people play with their phones at stoplights.

Light turns green
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Oh shit! Gotta finish my text message!
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only 3 cars make it through the light.

When you're driving your car, DRIVE YOUR FUCKING CAR. Don't play with your phone. The whole purpose to being in the driver's seat is to drive. If you're not driving, get off the road.
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dont worry, those people will eventually crash and die, then they wont be there to annoy the world anymore
 
Mr. Asa said:
From what I have heard, the Chinese have no problem making quality parts, it is when US engineers get lazy and don't specify that this part needs heat treating, or needs to meet this standard that they make bad parts.

From what I remember, the problem with the transmissions in the new Mustangs was traced back to an engineer that did not specify that a few parts need to meet a specific standard, and the reason he did not was that "anyone in the US fabricating these parts would know what standards they needed to meet"
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That's how the Chinese operate. They take specs as black and white with no room for deviation and do not question the customer.

I have friends in manufacturing who get amazing precision stuff from China, but they have to spend 3x the amount of time specifying every possible variable.
Domon said:
I agree, plastic is not the core of the problem. Now, the choice of plastic, and more importantly, the thickness, is very relevant to quality. And what tends to get reduced in china manufacturing is both of those elements.

"plastic" which feels more like rubber, like on the stanley fatmax tools is excellent
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True, everything is now designed to use as little ____ as possible. We got my old "hungry hungry hippos" game from my parents over Christmas. Comparing it to one purchased this year is laughable. The current one is so flimsy it's barely usable.

It's the cheapening of absolutely everything I've got a problem with. Hell, I had to buy a used industrial sewing machine because the new ones are mostly made in China and fail often. Mine says "made in west Germany" all over it and it's solid like a tank. The new ones are all stamped, not cast.

I dislike any Stanley tool that's not for measuring or is a storage box. They break too easily. 95% of my tools are SK and Proto.
 
CletusJones said:
Same as everyone else :rolleyes:
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Uh, no. Other people, the people that you originally referred to, pause even when traffic flows to FINISH what they're doing. They sit there sloowwwly crawling along and tapping away on their phone. As soon as the car in front of me goes, I drop my phone. There is no hesitation or holding anyone up. There is no blip on anyone's traffic radar.

CletusJones said:
Point is, you're in your car to drive, not play on your MID.
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I'm at a 3 minute stoplight! Who cares if I"m not doing it WHILE driving, or even when traffic is crawling??
 
Mr. Asa said:
From what I remember, the problem with the transmissions in the new Mustangs was traced back to an engineer that did not specify that a few parts need to meet a specific standard, and the reason he did not was that "anyone in the US fabricating these parts would know what standards they needed to meet"
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Any engineer/designer worth their salt wouldn't leave something like that to interpretation. All specs and requirements should be called out.
 
CletusJones said:
That's how the Chinese operate. They take specs as black and white with no room for deviation and do not question the customer.

I have friends in manufacturing who get amazing precision stuff from China, but they have to spend 3x the amount of time specifying every possible variable.

True, everything is now designed to use as little ____ as possible. We got my old "hungry hungry hippos" game from my parents over Christmas. Comparing it to one purchased this year is laughable. The current one is so flimsy it's barely usable.

It's the cheapening of absolutely everything I've got a problem with. Hell, I had to buy a used industrial sewing machine because the new ones are mostly made in China and fail often. Mine says "made in west Germany" all over it and it's solid like a tank. The new ones are all stamped, not cast.

I dislike any Stanley tool that's not for measuring or is a storage box. They break too easily. 95% of my tools are SK and Proto.
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I dont particularly care for stanley tools either, but the grips on the fatmax tools are really durable and feel excellent in your hand.
 
CletusJones said:
That's how the Chinese operate. They take specs as black and white with no room for deviation and do not question the customer.

I have friends in manufacturing who get amazing precision stuff from China, but they have to spend 3x the amount of time specifying every possible variable.

I dislike any Stanley tool that's not for measuring or is a storage box. They break too easily. 95% of my tools are SK and Proto.
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When I was working in glass installation, I got to the point where I started to hate Stanley for their measuring tools as well. The tape measures at least, the damned things don't last when used daily.
Drool-Boy said:
Any engineer/designer worth their salt wouldn't leave something like that to interpretation. All specs and requirements should be called out.
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The way I remember reading it, it seemed like it was more of a cultural issue than an actual design issue. US engineers are used to not having to do it because anyone in the business knows what the standard is, but in China they don't.
Not that I'm defending the engineer or his superiors that did not catch the issue, just that it didn't seem as clear-cut as that.
I'll try and see if I can find some articles about it, it was a couple years ago. Jalopnik probably has some
 
Duke said:
Television was already be derided as taking over for social interaction even back then. automated assembly lines were beginning to come to rise, meaning less people and more machines in the workplace. It's not necessary 'communications', just technology. Technology becoming the norm over what was previous a human role. Replace a person with tech, you replace the social interaction that came with that person as well.
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meh, that shit started with a makeshift hammer, fire, the wheel, etc. This 'technology' you speak of is only another tool.
 
Mr. Asa said:
When I was working in glass installation, I got to the point where I started to hate Stanley for their measuring tools as well. The tape measures at least, the damned things don't last when used daily.

The way I remember reading it, it seemed like it was more of a cultural issue than an actual design issue. US engineers are used to not having to do it because anyone in the business knows what the standard is, but in China they don't.
Not that I'm defending the engineer or his superiors that did not catch the issue, just that it didn't seem as clear-cut as that.
I'll try and see if I can find some articles about it, it was a couple years ago. Jalopnik probably has some
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I've only got a couple stanley tools, an old fully metal 25ft chromed tape measure, and a fatmax flush trim saw that i only got because i needed the saw right away
 
Domon said:
I dont particularly care for stanley tools either, but the grips on the fatmax tools are really durable and feel excellent in your hand.
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Sure they feel nice, they're of higher quality than the tool attached to them.
Mr. Asa said:
When I was working in glass installation, I got to the point where I started to hate Stanley for their measuring tools as well. The tape measures at least, the damned things don't last when used daily.
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I don't use a tape for much. My framing square and drywall square are Stanley and work well. All of my precision measuring tools are Starrett.
Mr. Asa said:
In the past I have bought Stanley tools that did not work fresh out of the box. Fucking horrible company.
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I always try and buy industrial tools when I can. I usually place an order through my dad every spring. He does what he does and it costs less than the consumer grade stuff. Yay for volume discounts!
 
im not a big hand-tool guy, most my stuff plugs in.

Exception of wrenches and sockets obviously.
 
CletusJones said:
I always try and buy industrial tools when I can. I usually place an order through my dad every spring. He does what he does and it costs less than the consumer grade stuff. Yay for volume discounts!
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One of the Master Sergeants I knew was busted down a couple ranks and forcibly retired because he ended up using the government account to allow his troops to buy their own tools. I think he ended up getting caught because the scheme was that people would order what they want, pay the SnapOn guy with their money, then the SO guy would cancel the order from the government's side without cancelling it on SO's side so that everyone inventory stayed balanced. Eventually got busted because a couple guys didn't pay and the base got charged about a grand or so.

Was nice while it lasted though, I never bought anything, but one of the civilians ended up getting a fully stocked toolbox that retailed for about $35,000 for $10,000 or so.
 
Mr. Asa said:
One of the Master Sergeants I knew was busted down a couple ranks and forcibly retired because he ended up using the government account to allow his troops to buy their own tools. I think he ended up getting caught because the scheme was that people would order what they want, pay the SnapOn guy with their money, then the SO guy would cancel the order from the government's side without cancelling it on SO's side so that everyone inventory stayed balanced. Eventually got busted because a couple guys didn't pay and the base got charged about a grand or so.

Was nice while it lasted though, I never bought anything, but one of the civilians ended up getting a fully stocked toolbox that retailed for about $35,000 for $10,000 or so.
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wait, tools for work, or personal tools?
 
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