[Article] Article: raw feeding

:lol: Sorry fly. I did have something to add. The process of making dry food:

http://www.bornfreeusa.org/facts.php?more=1&p=359

And also to point out if anyones pet food contains the following additives they are linked to causing cancer:

The following ingredients listed in packaged pet food are known to be Cancer causing: BHT, BHA, Ethoxyquin and EQ - agent orange (insecticide, preservative.) Please attempt to avoid all and any food containing these chemicals.

http://www.naturallybalancedhealth.com/petfoodpoisons.ivnu

http://www.best-dog-food-review.com/67901/70401.html

hat are EC permitted antioxidants?
Sounds harmless enough but what are EC permitted antioxidants? This covers a large range of chemicals, the three synthetic antioxidants commonly used by pet food manufacturers are:

E320 - BHA - Butylatedhydroyanilose
E321 - BHT - Butylatedhydroyutoluen
E324 - Ethoxyquin
These are extremely effective at their job, however they are associated with several health problems (including cancer) when fed in quantity. No surprise to learn that this is one of the cheaper methods of preserving pet foods! There is a wealth of information on the internet on the possible problems caused by the use of these chemicals, including causing cancer in dogs. As this information is quite often contradictory it's hard to determine the truth

I know many dog owners who sadly fed bad foods and the canine oncologists informed them that their bad nutrition led to their dogs cancer and eventual death.
 
Nemesi said:
He never mentioned research so why do you keep asking?

Where's the research into pet food and how did you pick your own brand?
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Are you joking? He has constantly mentioned that the only research into processed pet food is paid for by those same companies, so in his opinion that automatically makes it null and void.
Which is just ridiculous, you get the research, you go through it, you check the findings, you check and see who the researchers are and what they have written in the past. It's the same as researching medical papers.


And since fly opened this back up:
DJBrenton said:
I think you'll find that most kibble has substantial quantities of grain so hardly how you describe it.

http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/health/nutritionarticle2.htm

Nature's Recipe Lamb & Rice kibble. What are you envisioning? Dried meat and rice? Well the main ingredient is ground whole wheat. Not, I'm sure what you expect with that name.
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That's just silly, your daughter has mentioned in the past that there are decent kibbles out there that do not use starches as their main ingredient. Yes if you buy crappy kibble you'll get grain and corn and such, so don't buy crappy kibble.
 
fly said:
God damn mod bot
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Mr. Asa said:
Are you joking? He has constantly mentioned that the only research into processed pet food is paid for by those same companies, so in his opinion that automatically makes it null and void.
Which is just ridiculous, you get the research, you go through it, you check the findings, you check and see who the researchers are and what they have written in the past. It's the same as researching medical papers.


And since fly opened this back up:
That's just silly, your daughter has mentioned in the past that there are decent kibbles out there that do not use starches as their main ingredient. Yes if you buy crappy kibble you'll get grain and corn and such, so don't buy crappy kibble.
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Did you look at the list? I bet half of them would be considered premium. The point I made was that kibble is NOT as Domon thought, just like raw only dry. It's typically loaded with what are, in effect, cheap fillers. I am not sayng anything against kibbles as such, merely correcting Domon's misapprehension. That's silly is it? Care to list the ingredients on your kibble to demonstrate how you don't buy 'crappy kibble'?
 
Mr. Asa said:
Are you joking? He has constantly mentioned that the only research into processed pet food is paid for by those same companies, so in his opinion that automatically makes it null and void.
Which is just ridiculous, you get the research, you go through it, you check the findings, you check and see who the researchers are and what they have written in the past. It's the same as researching medical papers.
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Did that with your food choice did you?

Again I'll ask, where is this dubious research you keep talking about?
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Back at you Fly. Show me the research you, with your science loving head on, used to make your decisions. You're the one who keeps going on about scientific methods etc not me. I think that's the 3rd time I've asked you to explain the lengths you went to when making your choice of pet diet. I'm sure you went to great lengths to verify the various claims of the manufacturers??

And it's not ModBot's fault a thread gets closed. Blame the people who think it's OK to get an article thread closed. Pretty shabby if someone has 'helped the site out' (your words) by posting an article don't you think?
 
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No, I didn't look at the list. And you were talking to gee there, not Domon.
What is silly is sidestepping his argument of "start with quality ingredients and end with a quality food" for the replacement of "most kibble sucks"

Yes, most kibble probably does suck, what about his argument about starting with quality ingredients?
 
DJBrenton said:
Did that with your food choice did you?
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Why do you keep asking me about my choices of dog food? I'm not arguing whether or not mine is better than yours. I'm arguing that you have no scientific basis for saying that raw feed is better.

I never said that kibble was better
I never said raw was better

I said that you have no scientific basis for saying that raw is better.


Stop bringing up distractions, it's a weak attempt to derail the discussion.
 
Mr. Asa said:
No, I didn't look at the list. And you were talking to gee there, not Domon.
What is silly is sidestepping his argument of "start with quality ingredients and end with a quality food" for the replacement of "most kibble sucks"

Yes, most kibble probably does suck, what about his argument about starting with quality ingredients?
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If you simply dried meat, then ground it I'm guessing ( I'm not a nutritionist) you'd get something pretty close to the original. I'm not seeing that as being what kibble is though. What he said was 'kibble is raw meat + additives + nutrients (basically, the constituents of a raw food diet) that's steam cooked, formed into pellets and dried.' This is incorrect according to that website. Can I ask. You say I was being silly posting that link without even looking at it properly. Would you please look at it and tell me what proportion of those kibbles you'd know by name and how many you would have considered premium-ish. As they're Canadian(hopefully available in USA also) I don't know any of them. I would be interested if you are genuinely surpised at any of them being 'crapper' than you would have expected from their reputation. I know that if I bought 'Natural Recipe' I'd be somewhat disappointed at how far from my perception of natural food it would be.
 
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Mr. Asa said:
Why do you keep asking me about my choices of dog food? I'm not arguing whether or not mine is better than yours. I'm arguing that you have no scientific basis for saying that raw feed is better.

I never said that kibble was better
I never said raw was better

I said that you have no scientific basis for saying that raw is better.


Stop bringing up distractions, it's a weak attempt to derail the discussion.
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And I have repeatedly agreed that I have no scientific basis. Remind me again what you're argument is. You keep saying that anecdotal evidence has no value to science. I agree. It does in the real world though. It's called experience and shared experience.
 
Mr. Asa said:
Also, what the hell is with the deflection towards modbot and the people voting the thread closed?
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And it isn't deflection. Stop being so argumentative. Fly said God Damn Mod Bot like it was mod bots fault a thread gets voted closed. I happen to think that article threads shouldn't get voted down. It's pretty disrespectful towards the effort someone made to post an article.
 
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