A big Thank You to theac and fly.

Dharma1521 said:
I don't think that people are questioning whether or not Theac is a good guy, I think the frustration is that the moderation here is kinda becoming censorship. Just because you have the power to do something (like banning people) doesn't mean that you should.
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Judging by people's responses they are questioning. If people behave disrespectfully, as to blatantly and aggressively defy what few rules we have then what other means do you think should be used other than not allowing them to post? If members can't play nice then it's time for timeout. Certain behavior is more than acceptable for members but totally unacceptable for an admin or mod? Then, if he gets emotional in his responses he's labeled an asshole, but if he's impersonal and logical about it he's labeled a pompous powertripper. There is no right answer. I know it's impossible to please everyone but give me a friggn break already.
 
Pandora said:
Judging by people's responses they are questioning. If people behave disrespectfully, as to blatantly and aggressively defy what few rules we have then what other means do you think should be used other than not allowing them to post? If members can't play nice then it's time for timeout. Certain behavior is more than acceptable for members but totally unacceptable for an admin or mod? Then, if he gets emotional in his responses he's labeled an asshole, but if he's impersonal and logical about it he's labeled a pompous powertripper. There is no right answer. I know it's impossible to please everyone but give me a friggn break already.
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I agree 1000%. Theac didn't say anything about banning anyone. He did ask KNYTE if KNYTE truely wanted the thread closed. Plus theac apologized to KNYTE when he locked the thread.
 
Pandora said:
Judging by people's responses they are questioning. If people behave disrespectfully, as to blatantly and aggressively defy what few rules we have then what other means do you think should be used other than not allowing them to post? If members can't play nice then it's time for timeout. Certain behavior is more than acceptable for members but totally unacceptable for an admin or mod? Then, if he gets emotional in his responses he's labeled an asshole, but if he's impersonal and logical about it he's labeled a pompous powertripper. There is no right answer. I know it's impossible to please everyone but give me a friggn break already.
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all I did was suggest that he lick my taint :lol: it was a peace offering :o
 
Dharma1521 said:
I don't think that people are questioning whether or not Theac is a good guy, I think the frustration is that the moderation here is kinda becoming censorship. Just because you have the power to do something (like banning people) doesn't mean that you should.
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Let me propose an little example and see if we can't clear a few things up here.

Lets pretend instead of a forum, this is a party at someone's house. Since I own the vB license, let's say its my house. fly pays for our hosting and bandwidth, the things that make the forum possible, so we'll say he's providing the drinks and the PA setup because booze and music are what make a party possible. There is no cover charge for this party; you are all guests in the truest sense of the word. Everyone is laughing and having a good time. However, over the course of the evening, people start to get loud, incoherent, and obnoxious. This isn't really a problem in and of itself, but our hosts notice that is has the effect of driving away late comers to the party. Trying to be a good host and ensuring that the party continues to rock, I get on the PA and announce that if you're incoherent, rude, or otherwise driving off newcomers to the party in any way, you'll be asked to leave. Someone from the audience shouts back to kiss their taint. What exactly would you do here? So the party continues to chug along but the people who have gone and gotten themselves incoherent are continuing to babel at the newcomers. They don't mean to be rude, but they are driving away guests. You warn them again, but they persist. So now what do you do with them? You would probably call them a cab and send them home. You're not throwing them out in spite, but you need to do something. Seeing that you are sending people home, some of the surly drunks start to harrass you in front of the new guests. I'm sure the new guests by now are thinking "screw this party" and have left. Are you going to reward the surly drunks by letting them stay? Probably not. This cycle of harassment and removal persists until one of the guests gets on the PA and calls you a douchebag ... at your party ... in your home. Once again I ask, at this point what do you do? To top it off, in the next days, those people you sent home for varying reasons make it their mission to transmit the message that you're an asshole/nazi/powertripper. That's a lot of thanks there.

Both fly and I are your hosts at this party. We both have sunk hundreds of dollars into this place. Those that came to the fall meet ate several more hundreds of dollars of my food, gratis. We ask no money from you in return and place extremely few restrictions on you. However, when you are asked to do something, especially when its in order to make this place better, its expected that you will listen. If you don't like the way the party is turning out or the requests of the hosts, leave. Sitting around and hounding the hosts is tacky and childish.

One final thought I'll leave you with : you'll notice fly didn't reverse any of the bans. He even left his own girlfriend banned for 3 days. What does that tell you?
 
would it really be your house and fly providing the drinks? I figured the server would be the house and the vbul license the booze & bitches
 
theacoustician said:
Let me propose an little example and see if we can't clear a few things up here.

Lets pretend instead of a forum, this is a party at someone's house. Since I own the vB license, let's say its my house. fly pays for our hosting and bandwidth, the things that make the forum possible, so we'll say he's providing the drinks and the PA setup because booze and music are what make a party possible. There is no cover charge for this party; you are all guests in the truest sense of the word. Everyone is laughing and having a good time. However, over the course of the evening, people start to get loud, incoherent, and obnoxious. This isn't really a problem in and of itself, but our hosts notice that is has the effect of driving away late comers to the party. Trying to be a good host and ensuring that the party continues to rock, I get on the PA and announce that if you're incoherent, rude, or otherwise driving off newcomers to the party in any way, you'll be asked to leave. Someone from the audience shouts back to kiss their taint. What exactly would you do here? So the party continues to chug along but the people who have gone and gotten themselves incoherent are continuing to babel at the newcomers. They don't mean to be rude, but they are driving away guests. You warn them again, but they persist. So now what do you do with them? You would probably call them a cab and send them home. You're not throwing them out in spite, but you need to do something. Seeing that you are sending people home, some of the surly drunks start to harrass you in front of the new guests. I'm sure the new guests by now are thinking "screw this party" and have left. Are you going to reward the surly drunks by letting them stay? Probably not. This cycle of harassment and removal persists until one of the guests gets on the PA and calls you a douchebag ... at your party ... in your home. Once again I ask, at this point what do you do? To top it off, in the next days, those people you sent home for varying reasons make it their mission to transmit the message that you're an asshole/nazi/powertripper. That's a lot of thanks there.

Both fly and I are your hosts at this party. We both have sunk hundreds of dollars into this place. Those that came to the fall meet ate several more hundreds of dollars of my food, gratis. We ask no money from you in return and place extremely few restrictions on you. However, when you are asked to do something, especially when its in order to make this place better, its expected that you will listen. If you don't like the way the party is turning out or the requests of the hosts, leave. Sitting around and hounding the hosts is tacky and childish.

One final thought I'll leave you with : you'll notice fly didn't reverse any of the bans. He even left his own girlfriend banned for 3 days. What does that tell you?
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I'd like to respectfully point out that my only complaint is with HOW you banned everyone, not the fact that everyone was banned.

90% of us deserved to be banned, myself included, I can admit to that. The problem, and what irritated me and most of the others, was the fact that when you banned us you verbally put us down in the process, and then bragged about it later.

I will straight out tell you that I don't have any major problem with you as a person. You're smart, funny, and most of the time a cool guy. The only thing complaints I have against you are these:

1) You occasionally make posts which are worded in such a way that it's very hard to tell if you're playing around or really trying to offend/put down someone.

2) When you do have to punish someone you make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be. You could change the way 90% of the people view a B7ing by simply saying "Sorry, gotta do it". If you banned someone for a good reason, and did it politely, and they STILL flipped out I would back you up 100%.

Again, if I've personally given you more of headache than necessary I sincerely apologize for it.
 
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FlyNavy said:
would it really be your house and fly providing the drinks? I figured the server would be the house and the vbul license the booze & bitches
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It doesn't matter. They are the ones who are footing the bill for which some of us take for granted. Hell I didn't mind letting fly keep the BF2 server money because I know that the bills are expensive.
 
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