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I'm sorry, haven't the two of you spent this entire thread stating that the poor have plenty of opportunities for loans and other things to better their situations?
 
Okay, let's assume that it is cultural, and in a lot of instances it is. If you are a poor kid growing up in Baltimore City, chances are you have one parent present who either works long hours and is never around or doesn't have a job and is on drugs. You go to school, not because you are getting an education (because really it's not a place where education actually takes place, it's more like daycare), but because it is the only place where you get food every day and you hoard as much as you can for the weekends. You go home and your friends and family make fun of you for doing your homework if you even have a quiet place to do that. You are also hungry and worried about whether you are going to have heat or a place to live tomorrow. I'm not making this up and I didn't watch too much television. This is reality for thousands of kids. Try it and see if you succeed.

You can say it is cultural all you want, but these kids don't stand a chance against the culture they were brought into. It's a culture where education is not valued and it is barely offered. If you think the schools in the city are the same, then why don't any wealthier people send their kids there. You will not catch a middle class kid at a public school in Baltimore City. They all go to private schools. Why? Well, the city just cut funding to schools again. The teacher to student ratio is 1 to 33. Most of the students have an IEP and there aren't enough teachers and aides to handle that, so they teach to the lowest common denominator. They deal with more discipline issues than there are people to handle them and I'm not just talking about middle school or high school. This is elementary school too. And parents of poor students can't get loans to send their children to better schools. They don't qualify. So the kids are left to struggle with what they have. Yes, it is cultural, but stating that doesn't mean the children are to blame.
 
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and then when theyre 12, they start noticing that Deshawn is very popular on their block, seems to have all the money he wants, has nice stuff, and people like him.

And they end up running little packs of things they dont understand for him up and down the street, and get paid more than theyve seen in most their life.
 
Domon said:
and then when theyre 12, they start noticing that Deshawn is very popular on their block, seems to have all the money he wants, has nice stuff, and people like him.

And they end up running little packs of things they dont understand for him up and down the street, and get paid more than theyve seen in most their life.
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By the time they are 12 they already understand exactly what Deshawn is up to. Those kids start much younger than that.
 
Amstel said:
Lets study everyone as an individual using two other people per person studied -of course paid for by the governments endless $ supply - so there's no bias, classifying, so we can double check results, hell, let's triple check, and not apply any results to anything 'cuz in the end there's more than enough people making excuses, and more than enough people making up even more excuses for them.

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Let's pretend you had a suggestion other than that won't work we should throw more $ at it.
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How about we take actual the academic study I posted, instead of generalizing that poor people are all lazy, instead.
 
plot said:
and now you're claiming their over abundance of credit is what's keeping them poor. convenient.
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he should have said "debt" instead of "credit cards" but the point still stands. remember, these folks are usually so tight on money that when they get sick they're in debt to the hospital. when they need a vehicle they can't afford to drop $1000 on a used civic, they instead have to go to a "buy here pay here" place that will put them in further debt and take more of their money. when that car breaks down guess who's getting a payday loan because it's either that or lose their job due to lack of transportation. the poor are in debt, that doesn't mean they have an abundance of credit cards

I sure don't see how it would benefit the upper class to have an entire section of the population beholden to debt. I sure don't see how it would benefit them to have what is essentially slavery in the form of the private prison industry which can keep itself stuffed simply be enforcing laws on poor people differently. I sure don't see how keeping a section of the population under-educated and malnourished could be useful for the class of people that exploit their labor and trust for profit margins.

nope, can't see that at all
 
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eileenbunny said:
Yes, it is cultural, but stating that doesn't mean the children are to blame.
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Some people act as if culture and personality both grow in a vacuum. Kids that are raised in a particular culture will be most likely to continue the cycle when they're adults. No one becomes magically responsible and knowledgeable at 18 but people act as if once these kids become adults they should be making the same decisions that middle class kids make.

every one of us would struggle like a motherfucker being born in poverty
 
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