Yay guns! (Newsweek article)
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Syrup Beaver
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The AK was originally (And still largely) 7.62x39, ballistically similar to a .30-30 - nothing at all like a .308.
A 7.62x54R is much closer to a .308 (7.62x51 NATO), kind of between a .308 and .30-06 actually.
There are many variants in a variety of calibres now though.
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I helped write that, so long ago. Love how they stole it and posted it on their website now. Fuckin goatboy >.>I dont have links to the studies anymore but NATO ammo is tres better than 7.62x39. Not talking about what you buy at gander mountain though.
Edit: Commercial .223 is not the same as 5.56 NATO usually. It is the same size for all intents and purposes but the military equivalent is loaded hotter and heavier.
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the small calibers are great for accuracy.. unfortunately they are also great for punching through your neighbours walls... and their neighbours walls..
For this reason I love the FN FiveSeven. 20rnd cap mag of .17 caliber. So that's 21 bullets ready to go in a hand gun.. sweet... plus certain rounds you can get are armor piercing.
http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/
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I dont have links to the studies anymore but NATO ammo is tres better than 7.62x39. Not talking about what you buy at gander mountain though.
That's a good article!
I know some people swear by NATO ammo, but I only have my preferences from what I have experiienced with different calibers (what they punch through, how they punch through, accuracy, bullet drop, recoil, etc.). To be honest, it could of been the gun instead of the rounds..
The gun makes all the difference. Muzzle velocity difference between a 11", 16" and 20" barrel is significant. Not to mention range to target. 5.56 is perfect for what it was designed for, sub 200 meter firefights it is the best of the best. Long range it is effective, but not as good as a real 7.62x51.
7.62x39 (Russian ammo) was made to be cheap and to use the same tooling as their 7.62x54 ammo. Just like AKs dont require a lot of machine processes to make. It's made for economy.
As usual, hitting your target under pressure and breathing hard are still more important skills than having the right ammunition. Something like 90% of shots fired in modern warfare are complete misses.
For around the house, sub 50 meters, and high stress, Id pick a shotgun.
7.62x39 (Russian ammo) was made to be cheap and to use the same tooling as their 7.62x54 ammo. Just like AKs dont require a lot of machine processes to make. It's made for economy.
As usual, hitting your target under pressure and breathing hard are still more important skills than having the right ammunition. Something like 90% of shots fired in modern warfare are complete misses.
For around the house, sub 50 meters, and high stress, Id pick a shotgun.
Syrup Beaver
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