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Source: https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/MCM-2019.pdf

What starts on page IV-2 (pdf page 308) is generally what we think of when we say "Article xx of the UCMJ". It lists punitive violations. Let's see what I can find that may be applicable (note: not a legal expert, so this probably isn't 100% accurate):

I'm not quoting each article. There's a link above, and the article identifier is enough for you to find it.

Article 78 (10 U.S.C. 878)—Accessory after the fact
"Any person subject to this chapter who, knowing
that an offense punishable by this chapter has been
committed, receives, comforts, or assists the
offender in order to hinder or prevent his
apprehension, trial, or punishment shall be
punished as a court-martial may direct."

Ex: Let's say I'm military and I let the dude who stole the podium crash at my place to prevent law enforcement from finding him.

Article 80 (10 U.S.C. 880)—Attempts
(a) An act, done with specific intent to commit an
offense under this chapter, amounting to more than
mere preparation and tending, even though failing
to effect its commission, is an attempt to commit
that offense

Ex: I suppose attempting to storm the capital, but not getting past the police barricade outside.

Article 81 (10 U.S.C. 881)—Conspiracy
Any person subject to this chapter who
conspires with any other person to commit an
offense under this chapter shall, if one or more of
the conspirators does an act to effect the object of
the conspiracy, be punished as a court-martial may
direct.

Ex: Maybe if I helped plan any of the shit that went down.

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Article 82 (10 U.S.C. 882)—Soliciting commission
of offenses
a. Text of statute.
(a) SOLICITING COMMISSION OF
OFFENSES GENERALLY.—Any person subject
to this chapter who solicits or advises another to
commit an offense under this chapter (other than
an offense specified in subsection (b)) shall be
punished as a court-martial may direct.

Ex: If I encourage people to storm the capitol?

Article 84 (10 U.S.C. 884)—Breach of medical
quarantine
a. Text of statute.
Any person subject to this chapter—
(1) who is ordered into medical quarantine by a
person authorized to issue such order; and
(2) who, with knowledge of the quarantine and
the limits of the quarantine, goes beyond those
limits before being released from the quarantine by
proper authority;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct

Ex: I guess if I was under quarantine for the 'Rona and took part in the riot?

Article 87a (10 U.S.C. 887a)—Resistance, flight,
breach of arrest, and escape
a. Text of statute.
Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1) resists apprehension;
(2) flees from apprehension;
(3) breaks arrest; or
(4) escapes from custody or confinement;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct

Ex: Self explanatory...resisting arrest essentially.

Article 88 (10 U.S.C. 888)—Contempt toward
officials
a. Text of statute.
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous
words against the President, the Vice President,
Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of
a military department, the Secretary of Homeland
Security, or the Governor or legislature of any
State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is
on duty or present shall be punished as a courtmartial may direct.

Ex: I'm pretty sure participating in storming the capitol is applicable.

Article 89 (10 U.S.C. 889)—Disrespect toward
superior commissioned

Article 90 (10 U.S.C. 890)—Willfully disobeying
superior commissioned officer

Article 91 (10 U.S.C. 891)—Insubordinate
conduct toward warrant officer, noncommissioned
officer, or petty officer

Article 92 (10 U.S.C. 892)—Failure to obey
order or regulation

Ex: With these 4, let's say my chain of command directs me to stay away from the capitol building and I ignore that.
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This.

Basically when you sign up for the military you give up a ton of rights. You're essentially government property and don't have the same rights and privileges civilians do. At the same time the military kind of has its own justice system separate from the one most civilians know. It can be light for minor shit or very harsh for more serious shit. Can also be used as a weapon against the lower rank and file or as a shield for the higher ups. There comes a time when anyone who stays around long enough and attains the higher ranks becomes more of a politician, or at least bureaucrat, than they are a soldier anymore. Enlisted ranks it's the step between first sergeant and sergeant major (or equivalent in other branches). In officer ranks for sure full bird colonel and above and plenty of Lt. Colonels bucking for that bird (or again equivalent in other branches).
 
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HipHugHer said:
This.

Basically when you sign up for the military you give up a ton of rights. You're essentially government property and don't have the same rights and privileges civilians do. At the same time the military kind of has its own justice system separate from the one most civilians know. It can be light for minor shit or very harsh for more serious shit. Can also be used as a weapon against the lower rank and file or as a shield for the higher ups. There comes a time when anyone who stays around long enough and attains the higher ranks becomes more of a politician, or at least bureaucrat, than they are a soldier anymore. Enlisted ranks it's the step between first sergeant and sergeant major (or equivalent in other branches). In officer ranks for sure full bird colonel and above and plenty of Lt. Colonels bucking for that bird (or again equivalent in other branches).
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I think it would be infinitely more likely to result in continued power if the Democrats just enacted some popular policies instead of trying to get the most popular of their opponents barred from running again.
 
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Jehannum said:
I think it would be infinitely more likely to result in continued power if the Democrats just enacted some popular policies instead of trying to get the most popular of their opponents barred from running again.
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I am hesitantly optimistic about Bernie being in charge of the Budget Committee.

The Dems have stopped really giving a shit about the middle class and advancing it, and I think that's a huge mistake for them.
 
Jehannum said:
I think it would be infinitely more likely to result in continued power if the Democrats just enacted some popular policies instead of trying to get the most popular of their opponents barred from running again.
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This shit cannot go unpunished unless we want the next candidate to be someone who is evil, and also not a moron who will be successful at overthrowing democracy.
 
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Domon said:
This shit cannot go unpunished unless we want the next candidate to be someone who is evil, and also not a moron who will be successful at overthrowing democracy.
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Oh fuck off with that. Biden's all but signed the fucking pardon in his rush towards magnanimity.

Nobody's going to jail. By the time the Senate is done with McTurtle's impeachment trial, Biden's momentum will all be spent.
 
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We probably have different ideas as to what progress is but you gotta give the D's credit, when they have the power to they at least try to push through "something", even if it doesn't turn out to be everything the progressive wing wants. R's by comparison are spineless twats. The only thing they're good at is bitching and complaining from the position of the minority.
 
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We probably have different ideas as to what progress is but you gotta give the D's credit, when they have the power to they at least try to push through "something", even if it doesn't turn out to be everything the progressive wing wants. R's by comparison are spineless twats. The only thing they're good at is bitching and complaining from the position of the minority.
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The last top-line legislative push the Dems had resulted in the Affordable Care Act.

They bent so far over to get Republican votes that it's completely toothless (except y'know for the fact that now @yeppers' policy has to pay for hysterectomies and IUDs), and even after all that bipartisan fellatio, not a single Republican voted for it.
 
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Jehannum said:
The last top-line legislative push the Dems had resulted in the Affordable Care Act.

They bent so far over to get Republican votes that it's completely toothless (except y'know for the fact that now @yeppers' policy has to pay for hysterectomies and IUDs), and even after all that bipartisan fellatio, not a single Republican voted for it.
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They had the trifecta majority, house, senate, and presidency. They didn't "bend over backwards to appease republicans", they pushed through exactly how much they could while still keeping their own coalition together. Did it go as far as some would like? No. Did it change the landscape of healthcare policy in this country from that point forward? Yes. Some would argue for the worse, some would argue for the better, but it was landmark either way.
What did the R's do when they had the trifecta? Basically nothing.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
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HipHugHer said:
They had the trifecta majority, house, senate, and presidency. They didn't "bend over backwards to appease republicans", they pushed through exactly how much they could while still keeping their own coalition together. Did it go as far as some would like? No. Did it change the landscape of healthcare policy in this country from that point forward? Yes. Some would argue for the worse, some would argue for the better, but it was landmark either way.
What did the R's do when they had the trifecta? Basically nothing.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
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I'm not.

It's just silly to expect any change when we keep electing the same milquetoast leaders.
 
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