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Immigrant said:
Obama wanted BIPARTISAN input on the bill.

He didn’t want the divide that happened anyway, because you know, being black and all.
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sorry, but you're wrong....again.

majority and supermajority....ONLY reason it passed.

the big concern was when teddy kennedy died leaving the dems with 59 seats (counting the two Independents). but then dem Paul Kirk was appointed interim senator from Massachusetts to serve until the special election – once again giving the dems that 60th vote.

and yet, in an odd twist, the state of Mass and Scott Brown won the special election on the fact he ran his campaign as the 41st senator against obamacare....which left pelosi and obama scrambling to secure another vote. so they had to take the bill the senate then majority back to the house and have it approved by a 219 – 212 vote. no house Republicans came on board, and 34 Democrats voted against.
 
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HipHugHer said:
We need some kinda deal where before a bill gets a vote it has to be posted for a month or something for all of us to try to read through and make sense of. Then the vote has to be on exactly that bill without a single word changed, added, or removed.
Change something and we get another month to figure out what kinda hoodwink they're trying to pull.
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& the reason we need this is because we can't even trust the local rep we just voted for and sent to washington.
 
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Jimmycrackcorn said:
wanting bipartisan input and getting none doesn't mean shit.
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... and that’s why the division will continue and strengthen.

Someday you’ll come out of you imaginary underage poon fog and realize you aren’t happy with everyone around you hating each other.
 
Immigrant said:
... and that’s why the division will continue and strengthen.

Someday you’ll come out of you imaginary underage poon fog and realize you aren’t happy with everyone around you hating each other.
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someday you'll grasp the reality of how politics actually works, and join us in the real world.....not live in the imaginary one you do, where you don't/can't even remember votes from 10 years ago.
 
HipHugHer said:
Was kinda my point with the handout to corporate overlords comment.
Was pretty much written by insurance companies. 2000 pages of it. That nobody fucking read before voting on it. Can't really blame just one guy or one party for that. They're all in on it.

Look how many votes those spineless R's had to overturn it when they knew damn good and well the guy in the Whitehouse would never sign off on it. Then when there's a guy in there that just might actually sign it all those votes disappeared.

We need some kinda deal where before a bill gets a vote it has to be posted for a month or something for all of us to try to read through and make sense of. Then the vote has to be on exactly that bill without a single word changed, added, or removed.
Change something and we get another month to figure out what kinda hoodwink they're trying to pull.
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The insurers now have huge powers over the doctors. They tell the providers which visits, meds, and treatments are allowed.
 
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Ledboots said:
The insurers now have huge powers over the doctors. They tell the providers which visits, meds, and treatments are allowed.
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The giant sucky part of this is that with the faux solution to the great healthcare whine of "it's too complicated" are now doctors that know there's no point in going in several directions of treatment because it won't help them feed their own kids so "the best treatment for you is. . . (what medicare* tells me to tell you)." And the docs are respected medical authorities, right, so as patients we fall in line with "Gosh, thanks so much doc."


*your government ;)


But wait! To be sure, go get a 2nd opinion from a different doc that, surprise!, ALSO needs to feed their kids. :fly:
 
Jimmycrackcorn said:
sorry, but you're wrong....again.

majority and supermajority....ONLY reason it passed.

the big concern was when teddy kennedy died leaving the dems with 59 seats (counting the two Independents). but then dem Paul Kirk was appointed interim senator from Massachusetts to serve until the special election – once again giving the dems that 60th vote.

and yet, in an odd twist, the state of Mass and Scott Brown won the special election on the fact he ran his campaign as the 41st senator against obamacare....which left pelosi and obama scrambling to secure another vote. so they had to take the bill the senate then majority back to the house and have it approved by a 219 – 212 vote. no house Republicans came on board, and 34 Democrats voted against.
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And then Congress switched hands, and the Republicans had all the pandering, chest-beating votes they needed to simply do away with it....until they had to own those votes. Then they folded like the chickenshits they are.


Plenty of blame to go around. It's not a good guy vs. bad guy thing. More like a power structure vs. the rest of us thing.
 
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