yup and when you buy a bike and you're not 25 yet like inline, you want to be able to just pay for it all in cash - that way you only have to pay for liability insurance, otherwise you've got to pay for full coverage and that's a daggerkiwi said:That's also Knyte's philosophy, find something for less than 3k so that WHEN (not if) he wrecks it learning to really ride, it won't be the end of the world.