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A list of things doesn't indicate a problem. It indicates a record. AKA a list.
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Posted by me just above:
A list of things doesn't indicate a problem. It indicates a record. AKA a list.
sarcasmo tried to relate this to recalls over someone stubbing their toe on a broken wheel of a stroller when in reality we're talking about tens of thousands of dead people per year due to guns in the US. it's kind of sick to rationalize and marginalize the dead in this manner.
Year: 1991
US Population: 252,153,092
Violent Crimes Committed: 1,911,767
Year: 2010
US Population: 308,745,538
Violent Crimes Committed: 1,246,248
Well shit on me. Even the FBI shows that the "problem" is actually clearing itself up. More people, less crime! But sure, write your legislature about the need for more stringent penal codes. I'm sure they won't laugh at you.
US Population: 252,153,092
Violent Crimes Committed: 1,911,767
Year: 2010
US Population: 308,745,538
Violent Crimes Committed: 1,246,248
Well shit on me. Even the FBI shows that the "problem" is actually clearing itself up. More people, less crime! But sure, write your legislature about the need for more stringent penal codes. I'm sure they won't laugh at you.
"violent crimes" is cutting a large swath which includes mostly non-gun related crimes. put this in perspective of cars as you seem to have no problem drawing parallels. this is like lumping in speeding tickets, illegal lane changes and HOV violations with vehicular homicide. these lesser offenses could be way down while vehicular homicides are way up but without any decent granularity in the numbers you can point to this raw, lumped in data and make people feel good. disturbingly, it's well known that the numbers for gun deaths are horribly documented on the whole so as to keep finite numbers nebulous and largely unquantifiable. fuzzy math. I know you know better.
eileenbunny
Druish Princess
I'm not rationalizing or marginalizing anything. We have a real problem in this country as I have said countless times in this thread. I don't think guns are it though.
Guns are demonstrably the outlet for the issue though. Undeniably so. Meth has become a huge problem in the country in our lifetime and that should be considered a health problem like Portugal has done with fantastic success. There's a smart way to make the best of this bad situation but it requires more consideration and new ideas. I don't know what it is but burying our collective heads in the sand and denying the problem exists is the number one problem right now.
edit: for like a dozen years now you can't buy ephedrine at a pharmacy except but in very limited quantities. you have to show ID and be put on a list but any quack can buy bullets ad nauseum.
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It's well known that the numbers of gun murders in the U.S. are deliberately low balled? 
You're a conspiracy theorist now? Some small rural municipalities may not report all of their numbers, but for the most part I bet the tally is in, and pretty accurate.
In 2010 the FBI reported 12,996 murders in the United States. 8,775 were committed with firearms. So of the 309 million people living in the U.S. that year, approximately 8,775 of them were reported as having been killed by firearms. .28% of the population. Way to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Why is the overall violent crime statistic important? Because in order to avoid the fuzzy math accusation you deride on the one hand but then incorporate on the other, you need to understand the absolute level of crime in the United States. You need a clear picture of what's going on.
Overall violent crime is plummeting. The overall murder rate has plummeted by almost 10,000 instances per year over the past 20 years. If firearms were used in 67.5% of all murders committed last year alone, then it stands to reason that a significant majority of murders over the past 20 years were committed with guns too, right? And if the overall murder rate has been cut almost in half during that period, then firearms are actually being used in less murders than ever, right?
Oh, and we have more guns than ever on our streets. Amazing, isn't it?
This is the problem with people who make decisions based on ratings-driven media coverage. You ignore the real picture in order to focus on the little bit of special interest bullsh*t being crammed down your throat.
You're a conspiracy theorist now? Some small rural municipalities may not report all of their numbers, but for the most part I bet the tally is in, and pretty accurate. In 2010 the FBI reported 12,996 murders in the United States. 8,775 were committed with firearms. So of the 309 million people living in the U.S. that year, approximately 8,775 of them were reported as having been killed by firearms. .28% of the population. Way to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Why is the overall violent crime statistic important? Because in order to avoid the fuzzy math accusation you deride on the one hand but then incorporate on the other, you need to understand the absolute level of crime in the United States. You need a clear picture of what's going on.
Overall violent crime is plummeting. The overall murder rate has plummeted by almost 10,000 instances per year over the past 20 years. If firearms were used in 67.5% of all murders committed last year alone, then it stands to reason that a significant majority of murders over the past 20 years were committed with guns too, right? And if the overall murder rate has been cut almost in half during that period, then firearms are actually being used in less murders than ever, right?
Oh, and we have more guns than ever on our streets. Amazing, isn't it?
This is the problem with people who make decisions based on ratings-driven media coverage. You ignore the real picture in order to focus on the little bit of special interest bullsh*t being crammed down your throat.
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Syrup Beaver
pants log
I'm not gay, nor have any desire to be gay, nor even understand the desire to be gay at all. I don't think I would feel any happier if I was gay. I think being gay is a crutch for people and I think that needs to change. Kinda like having every Hummel figurine, they're gay to feel special, or something.
Sound familiar?
Syrup Beaver
pants log
eileenbunny
Druish Princess
Yet I can still walk out my door and easily buy some meth. That law is working really well! Maybe it's people deciding abusing meth is a good idea that's the problem and not the meth itself?
It's well known that the numbers of gun murders in the U.S. are deliberately low balled?
In 2010 the FBI reported 12,996 murders in the United States. 8,775 were committed with firearms. So of the 309 million people living in the U.S. that year, approximately 8,775 of them were reported as having been killed by firearms. .28% of the population. Way to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Why is the overall violent crime statistic important? Because in order to avoid the fuzzy math accusation you deride on the one hand but then incorporate on the other, you need to understand the absolute level of crime in the United States. You need a clear picture of what's going on.
Overall violent crime is plummeting. The overall murder rate has plummeted by almost 10,000 instances per year over the past 20 years. If firearms were used in 67.5% of all murders committed last year alone, then it stands to reason that a significant majority of murders over the past 20 years were committed with guns too, right? And if the overall murder rate has been cut almost in half during that period, then firearms are actually being used in less murders than ever, right?
Oh, and we have more guns than ever on our streets. Amazing, isn't it?
This is the problem with people who make decisions based on ratings-driven media coverage. You ignore the real picture in order to focus on the little bit of special interest bullsh*t being crammed down your throat.
I'll get back to you. have to get to work.
ok? the point here was the govt actually did something as opposed to absolutely nothing like usual vs the handgun issue. you also live in one of the most notoriously hellish states out of all 50.
wat? you're drunk on fly's ass juice. people kill people. never said otherwise. guns make it 50x easier and worldwide stats bear this out.
If I left out the word babbling, would you have been forced to give a real reply?
It's well known that the numbers of gun murders in the U.S. are deliberately low balled?
In 2010 the FBI reported 12,996 murders in the United States. 8,775 were committed with firearms. So of the 309 million people living in the U.S. that year, approximately 8,775 of them were reported as having been killed by firearms. .28% of the population. Way to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Why is the overall violent crime statistic important? Because in order to avoid the fuzzy math accusation you deride on the one hand but then incorporate on the other, you need to understand the absolute level of crime in the United States. You need a clear picture of what's going on.
Overall violent crime is plummeting. The overall murder rate has plummeted by almost 10,000 instances per year over the past 20 years. If firearms were used in 67.5% of all murders committed last year alone, then it stands to reason that a significant majority of murders over the past 20 years were committed with guns too, right? And if the overall murder rate has been cut almost in half during that period, then firearms are actually being used in less murders than ever, right?
Oh, and we have more guns than ever on our streets. Amazing, isn't it?
This is the problem with people who make decisions based on ratings-driven media coverage. You ignore the real picture in order to focus on the little bit of special interest bullsh*t being crammed down your throat.
you're daft if not aware about how gun death reporting is skewed to massage the data for whatever side you're on. you know who has a lot of money to burn and lobbies the fuck out of washington? could it be the NRA? nah.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...rado-shooting-is-tragically-unsurprising.html
that comes to 31k deaths per year due to gun violence, 66k injuries and an avg of $100B in wasted monies. You're right, there's no problem at all. Let the bullets fly where they may. hopefully no one you care about gets taken before you realize how truly fucked up this is.
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Half of those "gun violence" deaths are suicides. It isn't my problem who decides to end their life with a firearm. That is a personal decision and none of us has any right to comment. Stop inflating the numbers and focus on the murders you claim are wildly out of control.