There's some damn stupid people out there
- Thread starter Dory Berkowitz-Bukowski
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Shalimar
Like herpes - just appears
In most of America, we just let them starve lol. Sponging is much more difficult without the normal European model of social welfare. Large families that I've known usually have less disposable income but are still bringing in a lot of money.
Technically, even though it's not a popularly Christian country, it does have a state religion which would make it Christian? Church of England was never disestablished.
so, what do you think happened here? if you were to find something to blame, what would it be? kids having unprotected sex, sure, but do you think they were actually taught sex? do you think they found sex on the playground from their friends' mouths and took it for a spin? do you think the parents are lacking? was this stupidity? ignorance? was it lack of education from the school? if one was to work on making an example out of this situation, where could one start? i think this makes for an interesting discussion.
also, i don't know how to feel about the comments above. i don't believe it's right to put down a law that prohibits all from making more than so many kids, but i also see the serious problems pointed out in this thread: poverty, government sponging, and then child abuse, neglect, and further out you deal with sex ignorance, lack of parenting which produces ignorant, lost kids/society members.
so what's the best scenario? do you think teaching not only sex ed in schools but also finances, family management, etc. would do anything for kids? everyone learns about sex somehow but it seems to stop there. what if they had to look at sex -> parenting from another perspective: stresses, finance, blah blah that come with the territory should there be a pregnancy that they opted to keep? is that a good idea, or would it be even absorbed?
what about parental boot camps (there was one on tv at some point)...high schoolers got to play parents for a couple of weeks or whatever and i think it was a huge wake-up call. do you think coming from other perspectives would wake kids up?
...which brings up the question: should the state take this up when it should be the parents...but if parents obviously aren't stepping up to their responsibilities, does that mean it slides on down or should someone step in? and if it keeps sliding down, and one ignorant couple produces five children who each end up with two ignorant kids apiece, and then so on...the generational goop gets bigger, muddier, and harder to do something with, right?
it's a catch-22 to me, as it always seems to be. but i'd love to figure out my opinion on the subject. that octuplet mom is really bothering me, too, because i can't figure out how i feel about that one, either.
tl; dr i know i know.
also, i don't know how to feel about the comments above. i don't believe it's right to put down a law that prohibits all from making more than so many kids, but i also see the serious problems pointed out in this thread: poverty, government sponging, and then child abuse, neglect, and further out you deal with sex ignorance, lack of parenting which produces ignorant, lost kids/society members.
so what's the best scenario? do you think teaching not only sex ed in schools but also finances, family management, etc. would do anything for kids? everyone learns about sex somehow but it seems to stop there. what if they had to look at sex -> parenting from another perspective: stresses, finance, blah blah that come with the territory should there be a pregnancy that they opted to keep? is that a good idea, or would it be even absorbed?
what about parental boot camps (there was one on tv at some point)...high schoolers got to play parents for a couple of weeks or whatever and i think it was a huge wake-up call. do you think coming from other perspectives would wake kids up?
...which brings up the question: should the state take this up when it should be the parents...but if parents obviously aren't stepping up to their responsibilities, does that mean it slides on down or should someone step in? and if it keeps sliding down, and one ignorant couple produces five children who each end up with two ignorant kids apiece, and then so on...the generational goop gets bigger, muddier, and harder to do something with, right?
it's a catch-22 to me, as it always seems to be. but i'd love to figure out my opinion on the subject. that octuplet mom is really bothering me, too, because i can't figure out how i feel about that one, either.
tl; dr i know i know.
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ya know, i'm sitting here thinking about vasectomies and how i know many couples, with and without kids, who have wanted the big v and were denied one until they either had two kids OR they were at least 30 years old. it surely seems to me that 20-year-olds are more likely to be reckless and therefore have unplanned kids than someone who's 30...maybe i'm wrong, but my point is, why do they prohibit vasectomies until a certain age? and why is that age so high? and because they are, for the most part, reversible, would it not make sense to allow for them at any point?
Laws dont make people do anything. Culture, philosophical attitudes, education make people do what they do.
No one ever didnt do something because it's illegal, they didnt do it because it's wrong. There is no logical way the above situation is acceptable socially, and many of the related things people mentioned. Passing laws isnt going to do anything about it though.
You could debate sex education all day, and how religion is ruining it and blah balh blah. The thing that all people do agree on, that is completely missing from that situation, is personal responsibility, These kids, will be coddled by the state, everyone will be very careful not to say anything 'bad' about them, and in the end it's all not their fault. It's societies fault, it's the school's fault, it's popular culture's fault, but no one is going to give them a kick in the ass and tell them they did something WRONG, of their OWN FREE WILL.
No one ever didnt do something because it's illegal, they didnt do it because it's wrong. There is no logical way the above situation is acceptable socially, and many of the related things people mentioned. Passing laws isnt going to do anything about it though.
You could debate sex education all day, and how religion is ruining it and blah balh blah. The thing that all people do agree on, that is completely missing from that situation, is personal responsibility, These kids, will be coddled by the state, everyone will be very careful not to say anything 'bad' about them, and in the end it's all not their fault. It's societies fault, it's the school's fault, it's popular culture's fault, but no one is going to give them a kick in the ass and tell them they did something WRONG, of their OWN FREE WILL.
There are no laws about vasectomies that I know of. If the doctor wont perform it find another. I know a few people who had it done at 18.
Someone really needs to come up with a way to make everyone sterile until they hit the age of 18, maybe 20...maybe older, I dunno, or until a person makes a deliberate choice to be a parent. I know, it wouldn't solve the whole problem, but at least pregnancies wouldn't be accidental anymore. 
that would just create more instances of std related deaths and illnesses as sex would become more frequent if you knew that you would not get pregnant.Someone really needs to come up with a way to make everyone sterile until they hit the age of 18, maybe 20...maybe older, I dunno, or until a person makes a deliberate choice to be a parent. I know, it wouldn't solve the whole problem, but at least pregnancies wouldn't be accidental anymore.
True, it wouldn't be anything even close to a perfect solution, but at least kids wouldn't be brought into it.
Someone really needs to come up with a way to make everyone sterile until they hit the age of 18, maybe 20...maybe older, I dunno, or until a person makes a deliberate choice to be a parent. I know, it wouldn't solve the whole problem, but at least pregnancies wouldn't be accidental anymore.
Then what about "No State shall... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property..."
Rome Statute of the ICC Article 7 "Crimes against humanity"
For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
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(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
The repeated failure of people to think things through to their logical conclusion is mind boggling.
Latest update.
2 other 'kids' have chimed in, each wanting a paternity test. Apparently, the girl gets around.
a lot.
2 other 'kids' have chimed in, each wanting a paternity test. Apparently, the girl gets around.
a lot.
