There is an inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence.

Coqui said:
What would be considered scientific proof that a bed is moving not by the a human's own power? The thing is, I don't think there's ever any proof that you would accept.
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Sure there is if it was in a controlled environment with multiple recreations of the experiment and full documentation.
By the way, the people involved in the story I'm getting this from.....weren't even Catholic yet they still decided to baptize their 13 year old into Catholicism.

And how the hell do you scam a 13 year old into speaking perfect Aramaic?
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The same way you teach a 13 year old to speak two languages from birth. Just because it's unexplainable does not mean there's some supernatural reason for it. Again, that's not saying the supernatural explanation is wrong but there's absolutely no more indication that it was a demon as opposed to an alien from another planet playing a prank.
 
Coqui said:
What would be considered scientific proof that a bed is moving not by the a human's own power? The thing is, I don't think there's ever any proof that you would accept.


By the way, the people involved in the story I'm getting this from.....weren't even Catholic yet they still decided to baptize their 13 year old into Catholicism.

And how the hell do you scam a 13 year old into speaking perfect Aramaic?
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Coqui - You actually believe in this stuff? This is as bad as the Mary Magdalene's crying statues, etc.

I'm not judging... just :eek:
 
FlyNavy said:
Sure there is if it was in a controlled environment with multiple recreations of the experiment and full documentation.

The same way you teach a 13 year old to speak two languages from birth. Just because it's unexplainable does not mean there's some supernatural reason for it. Again, that's not saying the supernatural explanation is wrong but there's absolutely no more indication that it was a demon as opposed to an alien from another planet playing a prank.
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Will 5 different locations under multiple different witnesses suffice?

I understand 13 year olds can be taught, however, that would require the teacher to be fluent in said language to teach the kid.
 
April23 said:
Coqui - You actually believe in this stuff? This is as bad as the Mary Magdalene's crying statues, etc.

I'm not judging... just :eek:
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Yes I believe in this stuff. Regarding the statues, what does it take for people to believe it if their own eyes are playing tricks? You don't think the locations involved do something to ensure it isn't just vandals or something along those lines?

Observational evidence is apparently null and void to some of you. If that's the case doesn't that also discount a lot of science as well?

Next is the request for a controlled environment. I think having said phenomenon occuring in a location where those involved have never been before is as close as a controlled environment as this can get.

Now Science is also based on theories, how come those become widely accepted without 100% proof (i.e. evolution) and without measure?

I'm not saying Science is wrong, but I don't think we're looking at both in the same way as to what to accept and what not to accept.
 
SRC said:
My question is .. why does it bother so many people for another person to believe this stuff. Just let them believe/say what they want, and ignore their rantings if you don't believe it. :)
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Well for starters, the published study is attacking my intelligence. Religiosity is inversely coorelated to intelligence. I consider myself an extremely devout and dedicated Catholic. Therefore, my intelligence level is on the extremely low range (according to the study) The more religious you are, the less intelligent you are.

That's why it bothers me.
 
Coqui said:
Will 5 different locations under multiple different witnesses suffice?
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Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable in court, why would they be acceptable in lieu of scientific evidence? :p No, it wouldn't suffice because a thousand people can all have the same delusion. Power of suggestion. If enough people are willing to say they saw something the rest of the group will go along with it out of peer pressure.

Happens all the time.
I understand 13 year olds can be taught, however, that would require the teacher to be fluent in said language to teach the kid.
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And there are no speakers of Aramaic left in the world? :p Then of course there's always phonetic instruction where the kid is taught to memorize a series of words without having to learn what they actually mean.

A prime example is the Pledge of Allegiance :lol:
 
SRC said:
My question is .. why does it bother so many people for another person to believe this stuff. Just let them believe/say what they want, and ignore their rantings if you don't believe it. :)
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w3rd

anti-religious zealotry is actually more annoying than religious zealotry. however, there's a clear distinction between faith and science that shouldn't be ignored
 
Coqui said:
Well for starters, the published study is attacking my intelligence. Religiosity is inversely coorelated to intelligence. I consider myself an extremely devout and dedicated Catholic. Therefore, my intelligence level is on the extremely low range (according to the study) The more religious you are, the less intelligent you are.

That's why it bothers me.
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Why does it bother you? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Does that always make them correct? No. Believe what you want to .. and it will all work out in the end. No one is ever going to know "for sure" what is right and what is wrong in these instances .. until they die. And they can't tell anyone at that point. You just have to believe what you believe and "hope" you are right in the end. Religious or not.

Sometimes, people say stuff .. for the simple fact .. just to get you riled up. Once riled up .. flying off the handle makes you appear along the lines of what they wanted in the first place. It's a game .. and if you want to win .. then don't play it. Silence is deadly sometimes. The saying is true .. "given enough rope .. any man can hang himself with his own words". :)
 
Coqui said:
Yes I believe in this stuff. Regarding the statues, what does it take for people to believe it if their own eyes are playing tricks? You don't think the locations involved do something to ensure it isn't just vandals or something along those lines?

Observational evidence is apparently null and void to some of you. If that's the case doesn't that also discount a lot of science as well?

Next is the request for a controlled environment. I think having said phenomenon occuring in a location where those involved have never been before is as close as a controlled environment as this can get.

Now Science is also based on theories, how come those become widely accepted without 100% proof (i.e. evolution) and without measure?

I'm not saying Science is wrong, but I don't think we're looking at both in the same way as to what to accept and what not to accept.
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So you are believing without questioning? People believe science because the facts are there. Evolution is there. You want to know something? All you need to do is research it and use the right tools and you can come to an answer.

With religion you cannot.
 
April23 said:
So you are believing without questioning? People believe science because the facts are there. Evolution is there. You want to know something? All you need to do is research it and use the right tools and you can come to an answer.

With religion you cannot.
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That is the entire point of religion .. believing. Some people need something to believe in that they cannot/will not question. That leads them to religion.
 
FlyNavy said:
Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable in court, why would they be acceptable in lieu of scientific evidence? :p No, it wouldn't suffice because a thousand people can all have the same delusion. Power of suggestion. If enough people are willing to say they saw something the rest of the group will go along with it out of peer pressure.

Happens all the time.
And there are no speakers of Aramaic left in the world? :p Then of course there's always phonetic instruction where the kid is taught to memorize a series of words without having to learn what they actually mean.

A prime example is the Pledge of Allegiance :lol:
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But what scientific evidence could be used? Chemistry? no. Physics? No (it's defying the laws of physics), Biology? no. Honestly there isn't a widely accepted principle of science that this could possibly fit under.

There are very few speakers of Aramaic in the US. The majority of them are Catholic. Now it's still possible, but one would figure that the parties involved would have had contact with the Catholic Church prior to this in order to start this scam ahead of time.
 
SRC said:
Why does it bother you? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Does that always make them correct? No. Believe what you want to .. and it will all work out in the end. No one is ever going to know "for sure" what is right and what is wrong in these instances .. until they die. And they can't tell anyone at that point. You just have to believe what you believe and "hope" you are right in the end. Religious or not.

Sometimes, people say stuff .. for the simple fact .. just to get you riled up. Once riled up .. flying off the handle makes you appear along the lines of what they wanted in the first place. It's a game .. and if you want to win .. then don't play it. Silence is deadly sometimes. The saying is true .. "given enough rope .. any man can hang himself with his own words". :)
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Actually if you listen to April you sould accept these studies as pure fact because they are science, and not opinion.

I agree though, if you cant take it: dont argue it.
 
SRC said:
That is the entire point of religion .. believing. Some people need something to believe in that they cannot/will not question. That leads them to religion.
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...and for this I cannot place my trust in something that is blind. Besides faith, there has not been on occurrence that would lead a questionable mind like mind to religion.
 
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