Thread Why we need more than sequestration - government waste = big money

Mr. Argumentor

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Reread what I wrote. I never said it would be better than gas.

You said it would get better milage. There isnt a way for that too happen with an engine designed originally to run gas. You would have to tear it down and completely rebuild/redesign major components.
 

CletusJones

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Reread what I wrote. I never said it would be better than gas.
You did - after it was tuned for ethanol.
Apparently it could be tuned for E85 and you'd get better mileage, but then it would be worse with regular gas.
You can still make big power with ethanol, it is still alcohol after all. It's not as simple as that though. You can pretty much retrofit any vehicle as long as you've got the electronics behind it.

As far as tuning goes, ethanol is higher octane than premium gasoline so you can be more aggressive in your tuning. (Since we all know higher octane = slower burning + more complete combustion). If you were to run gasoline in an engine tuned for ethanol you'd have detonation problems.

I'm researching converting my E30 to run it when I go turbo. There are "some" advantages for FI.
 

Mr. Argumentor

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I'm researching converting my E30 to run it when I go turbo. There are "some" advantages for FI.
Guy I know in Arizona running a turbo 250ci I6 in a '63 Falcon is using ethanol, he has said that on a hard run the intake is frosted over from the drop in temp that the ethanol experiences.

I think he has dipped into the high 9 seconds on a pass.
 

CletusJones

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Guy I know in Arizona running a turbo 250ci I6 in a '63 Falcon is using ethanol, he has said that on a hard run the intake is frosted over from the drop in temp that the ethanol experiences.

I think he has dipped into the high 9 seconds on a pass.
Yep yep, imagine what's happening inside as well. I would think depending how cold it actually gets that you could get intake temps into the 50° range with some planning.
 

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still? I remember that shit from when i was a kid and it pissed me off then, i thought they killed that back in the 90s though.
Nope, and some lady was made locally famous last year when she refused to sell such to some other lady at a store, the woman who was trying to buy the ciggies and booze complained to the store manager and the saleslady was canned.

There were actually letters to the editor in support of being able to buy those items with EBT cards :dont:

Issue seems to have died down again though.
 

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Nope, and some lady was made locally famous last year when she refused to sell such to some other lady at a store, the woman who was trying to buy the ciggies and booze complained to the store manager and the saleslady was canned.

There were actually letters to the editor in support of being able to buy those items with EBT cards :dont:

Issue seems to have died down again though.

what the fuck, over.

My parents werent poor when i was growing up, but we were frugal. Only could afford meat a couple times a month, no fresh fruit or veggies in the winter (grew our own in the summer), etc. And we would be checking out with the basics at the store, and stupid motherfuckers with 40k dollar lifted trucks would be checking out in front of us with carts full of lobster tails and cigs and booze and then pay with food stamps (they were actually stamps back then).

Even as a 10 year old, that shit didnt sit right with me.
 

Syrup Beaver

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what the fuck, over.

My parents werent poor when i was growing up, but we were frugal. Only could afford meat a couple times a month, no fresh fruit or veggies in the winter (grew our own in the summer), etc. And we would be checking out with the basics at the store, and stupid motherfuckers with 40k dollar lifted trucks would be checking out in front of us with carts full of lobster tails and cigs and booze and then pay with food stamps (they were actually stamps back then).

Even as a 10 year old, that shit didnt sit right with me.

Ouch, I imagine.

One of the places where I used to live, that was a common occurrence, watching someone pay for two carts full of groceries with EBT's, then whipping out cash to buy booze, then carting it all over to a biiiiig shiny new Cadillac. :rolleyes:

Although, what I always thought was worse, was watching them take out cash with an EBT card from an ATM, then walking over to some dude and making an exchange.
 

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You said it would get better milage. There isnt a way for that too happen with an engine designed originally to run gas. You would have to tear it down and completely rebuild/redesign major components.

Yes, if tuned for E85 it would get better mileage than it does now.
 

Domon

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@Syrup Beaver Where are you up there anyway? If its not too personal, you can just say county or whatever
 
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Domon

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haha, ok. I was more towards the center, by the capital.
 

Mr. Argumentor

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Yes, if tuned for E85 it would get better mileage than it does now.
You cannot "tune" for better mileage with E85, universally flex fuel vehicles get better mileage with gasoline than with E85. You would have to completely build an engine to take advantage of E85. You would have to shave the head and deck the block to increase compression, you'd have to replace the injectors, you would have to replace sensors and reprogram the engine's computer, you'd have to add a sensor that could figure the particular mix of ethanol:gasoline so that the timing and air-fuel tables could be adjusted properly to get the maximum burn.

You cannot compare the two, it's a completely different fuel, it's like comparing diesel and gasoline. You cannot run gasoline in a diesel engine (although I have seen old air-cooled VWs run diesel while the engine is hot). Ethanol does not make better mileage in a car designed for gasoline.
 

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Pretty much no one has a $7,000 balance on their food stamp card. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it happens to almost no one. If Hidalgo County spent $28 million on 238,000 SNAP recipients last month, that works out to about $117.64 per person on average. That's jack shit for food in one month. It doesn't sound like we have a problem to me. I mean, I hate the idea of paying so some lazy asshole can eat, but I'm also not stupid enough to believe that everyone on food stamps is a lazy asshole.
 

DJBrenton

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government is already down 500k people since 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/b...austerity-kills-off-government-jobs.html?_r=0

Its in its biggest decline since post WWII.



That said, it looks like this shit may actually happen unless congress pulls their heads out of their asses today and gets some last minute shit together


I presume many of those 500k now make up a good proportion of the lazy, workshy good-for-nothings who just want to live on everyone else's tax dollars?
 

JAXvillain

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I presume many of those 500k now make up a good proportion of the lazy, workshy good-for-nothings who just want to live on everyone else's tax dollars?

I think that's what our new output of ethanol is going to be made from.