Russia does not fu*k around.

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Found this very interesting. Can you imagine what our press would say if anyone in the government said that about american kidnapees.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5125416.stm
Russia 'to kill Iraq kidnappers'
Vladimir Putin
Mr Putin hopes Russia's friends will help identify the killers
Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered special services to "find and destroy" the killers of four Russian diplomats taken hostage in Iraq.

The head of Russia's security services immediately pledged to see Putin's order carried out.

The Russian government confirmed the four men's deaths this week, after an insurgent group released a video showing two of them being killed.

The group had demanded Russia leave Chechnya and release Muslim prisoners.


However much time and effort it requires, we will work to this end
Russian security chief, Nikolai Patrushev
"The President gave the order to Russian special services to take all measures for finding and eliminating the criminals who carried out the murder of Russian diplomats in Iraq", the Interfax news agency quoted the Kremlin's press service as saying.

'Occupiers' blamed

He said Russia hoped its friends would help to identify the killers.

The head of the Federal Security Service (FSB), Nikolai Patrushev, promised to carry out the task "however much time and effort it requires", Interfax reported.

Separately, the lower house of the Russian parliament approved a statement condemning the killings, and appearing to blame Iraq's "occupying powers".

"The whole responsibility for the situation in Iraq, including guaranteeing the security of its citizens, and also foreign specialists, as before lies on the occupying powers," the statement said

Russia has strongly opposed the US-led military campaign from the beginning.

The diplomats were seized in Baghdad on 3 June.

A group called the Mujahideen Shura Council, linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq, posted the video of the killings on the internet.

On Monday, the Russian foreign ministry urged the Iraqi authorities and the US-led coalition forces to find and punish the perpetrators.
 
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered special services to "find and destroy" the killers of four Russian diplomats taken hostage in Iraq."


This is nice. Our government does the same shit though - usually without the press release beforehand. We'd hate for Uday, Qusay or Zarqawi to know we're comin' a callin'.

When I go I want to be straddling a MOAB dropped into the Phi MU house at Florida State.
 
shawndavid said:
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered special services to "find and destroy" the killers of four Russian diplomats taken hostage in Iraq."


This is nice. Our government does the same shit though - usually without the press release beforehand. We'd hate for Uday, Qusay or Zarqawi to know we're comin' a callin'.

When I go I want to be straddling a MOAB dropped into the Phi MU house at Florida State.
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Aye, but they [Russians] have a history of dealing with it more publicly and not quite as cleanly. If you remember the 4 Russian diplomats kidnapped 1985, Beruit. Russian special forces in turn kidnapped 3 relatives of the Hezbollah leader, they killed, mutillated, and delivered body parts of one of them to the kidnappers saying that they would do the rest unless the diplomats were released. Strangely enough 3 (the other one had been killed right away) diplomats were released the next day.

Im not saying it's right... I'm just saying I understand. ;)
 
shawndavid said:
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered special services to "find and destroy" the killers of four Russian diplomats taken hostage in Iraq."


This is nice. Our government does the same shit though - usually without the press release beforehand. We'd hate for Uday, Qusay or Zarqawi to know we're comin' a callin'.

When I go I want to be straddling a MOAB dropped into the Phi MU house at Florida State.
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Zarqawi is dead, newb. :p
 
FlamingGlory said:
Aye, but they [Russians] have a history of dealing with it more publicly and not quite as cleanly. If you remember the 4 Russian diplomats kidnapped 1985, Beruit. Russian special forces in turn kidnapped 3 relatives of the Hezbollah leader, they killed, mutillated, and delivered body parts of one of them to the kidnappers saying that they would do the rest unless the diplomats were released. Strangely enough 3 (the other one had been killed right away) diplomats were released the next day.

Im not saying it's right... I'm just saying I understand. ;)
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There is also a very similiar reason as to why you don't hear of planes being hijacked in Russia.
 
Russia isn't actually very good at executing special forces operations. I think that's why they make them public, since they'd soon become public anyway. All I know is that if I'm ever kidnapped by extremists in Russia, I hope to God the Russian Special Forces or FSB don't come charging in to my rescue. I'd be better off if a janitor attacked my captors with a mop. At least that way I might survive. Remember the theater scenario a couple of years ago, or the Beslan school siege? The Russians are crazy.
 
b_sinning said:
I'm all for this. They can send us videos of them killing people but we have to diplomatic? Screw that. Lets send them video back to them.
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The problem is that it doesn't scare anyone. Its' like saying the death penalty prevents crime. All shit like this does is ratchet up the level of violence, with each side trying to one-up each other, ala Israel...
 
Sarcasmo said:
Russia isn't actually very good at executing special forces operations. I think that's why they make them public, since they'd soon become public anyway. All I know is that if I'm ever kidnapped by extremists in Russia, I hope to God the Russian Special Forces or FSB don't come charging in to my rescue. I'd be better off if a janitor attacked my captors with a mop. At least that way I might survive. Remember the theater scenario a couple of years ago, or the Beslan school siege? The Russians are crazy.
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Special Forces are military. The military usually doesnt conduct hostage rescue. It's like using a sledgehammer to kill flies. You of course only remember the screwups. There have been also hundreds of other attacks carried out that you never hear about unless you actually research it.

Also might point out that killing 100 hostages in the theatre out of 738 is still 6/7ths win.
 
FlamingGlory said:
Also might point out that killing 100 hostages in the theatre out of 738 is still 6/7ths win.
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Yeah but I have this thing, this quirk, wherein I don't view people as mathematical statistics. If there had been 10,000 people in that theater or 738, 100 people were still "accidentally" killed. That's not so positive. I have no faith in Russian military or policing. My dad lived there for 13 years and I remember some of the weird things I'd see and read about. It's so corrupt it's crazy, and their policies are those of the blitzkrieg, even on something as sensitive as a hostage rescue (or simply arresting a drunk naked guy stumbling through a park down the street at 3:00 a.m.) It's like the Fist of Stalin, and it makes me very nervous. Putin even paraphrases Stalin when he speaks. It's the same uncompromising toughness and brutality and complete lack of foresight that has characterized the country for decades.

But yes, it does have its virtues at times and there have been successes, as is always the case with pretty much everything. But that doesn't mean I want to depend on them if I ever find myself tied up on the floor with an AK pointed at me.
 
Sarcasmo said:
Yeah but I have this thing, this quirk, wherein I don't view people as mathematical statistics. If there had been 10,000 people in that theater or 738, 100 people were still "accidentally" killed. That's not so positive. I have no faith in Russian military or policing. My dad lived there for 13 years and I remember some of the weird things I'd see and read about. It's so corrupt it's crazy, and their policies are those of the blitzkrieg, even on something as sensitive as a hostage rescue (or simply arresting a drunk naked guy stumbling through a park down the street at 3:00 a.m.) It's like the Fist of Stalin, and it makes me very nervous. Putin even paraphrases Stalin when he speaks. It's the same uncompromising toughness and brutality and complete lack of foresight that has characterized the country for decades.

But yes, it does have its virtues at times and there have been successes, as is always the case with pretty much everything. But that doesn't mean I want to depend on them if I ever find myself tied up on the floor with an AK pointed at me.
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Oh, definitely. I dont like Putin, or his policies. He's more or less an old school Soviet strongman.

I was merely pointing out the effectiveness of their operations to discourage further attacks. Though a 6/7ths win is more than you could probably hope for in the US with Billy Joe and the local Sheriff SWAT team.
 
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