that's the ones
i guess i got really bored of most guitar music pretty early in my life, so it's sort of hard for me to enjoy anything like that... to my detriment because people always bitch to me about me not giving bands a chance
one band i do like is joan as policewoman - i recommend checking out eternal flame on youtube... a bit greenwich villagey, but still pretty entertaining... either her of fionn reagan..
i still like billy talent.
and airborne, and a few others.