Ontopic Political Poo Flinging

[OOD]

Ood dude, I know about the pitch. Go outside today and ask 50 well to do people how they feel about tax rates from 1955 and let them know the top rate was like 90%, and if they’d like to pay that now.

Society today is all about me me me. They just passed tax cuts and are aiming for more. The Dems want it just as bad, even if they say they don’t.

I’m all for UBI but it ain’t gonna happen, not in my lifetime, yours, or our children’s.

You obviously didn't watch or read any of that because it explains how it would be paid for and it's not by doing it the way you are saying.

 

[OOD]

@Immigrant try the link. There is a tab for how it would be paid for.

 

[Immigrant]

You obviously didn't watch or read any of that because it explains how it would be paid for and it's not by doing it the way you are saying.

I looked at the link briefly. I’ll look again.

Maybe it would make me more excited if a Grand was really livable at all, cuz it ain’t.

That’s the tab I clicked.

 

[OOD]

I looked at the link briefly. I’ll look again.

Maybe it would make me more excited if a Grand was really livable at all, cuz it ain’t.

That’s the tab I clicked.

Bro, if Medicare were available for everyone (witch is yang' s goal) and you die while receiving a grand a month, I would have to assume you shot yourself in the face.

And if you're only getting a grand a month I'm pretty sure you would already qualify for Medicare anyways.

 

[Domon]

Ood dude, I know about the pitch. Go outside today and ask 50 well to do people how they feel about tax rates from 1955 and let them know the top rate was like 90%, and if they’d like to pay that now.

Society today is all about me me me. They just passed tax cuts and are aiming for more. The Dems want it just as bad, even if they say they don’t.

I’m all for UBI but it ain’t gonna happen, not in my lifetime, yours, or our children’s.

Maximum tax bracket in 1955 was 200k a year. thats 1,846,621 a year in 2018.

a 90% tax would be pretty painful if it was just a straight flat tax. But it wouldnt be. There would be all kindsa deductions that brought those big earners into much lower tax brackets.

 

[Immigrant]

I bookmarked it and will read more again later. I did re-read the “how it gets paid for” tab, and it’s a frickin unicorn.

Do you really believe Yang can convince 60% of the population to go for that? Again, not in our lifetimes.

I read something here once that was the most hope-building thing I’ve read in years, written by @Floptical, and I’m paraphrasing:

We are just waiting for you old racists and hate mongers to die off so we can implement policies that actually work to take care of people.

It was something like that. And it’s true. UBI will be available in 100 years, but doubtful any sooner.

 

[Immigrant]

Bro, if Medicare were available for everyone (witch is yang' s goal) and you die while receiving a grand a month, I would have to assume you shot yourself in the face.

And if you're only getting a grand a month I'm pretty sure you would already qualify for Medicare anyways.

I have Medicare right now. I have to save for three months to afford my “copay” and another two months to afford the Rx. My premium is only $120 or so a month, but I’ve only been able to afford to use it once.

 

[Immigrant]

Maximum tax bracket in 1955 was 200k a year. thats 1,846,621 a year in 2018.

a 90% tax would be pretty painful if it was just a straight flat tax. But it wouldnt be. There would be all kindsa deductions that brought those big earners into much lower tax brackets.

Yeah, it was on the top dollars “earned”, not for the entire income.

 

[OOD]

I have Medicare right now. I have to save for three months to afford my “copay” and another two months to afford the Rx. My premium is only $120 or so a month, but I’ve only been able to afford to use it once.

I meant to say medicaid. Not Medicare. My wife and kids were on medicaid when she was pregnant and a little after. Never had to pay for anything. No copay. No meaning deductions. Nothing at all.

Can't say I know much about medicare.

 

[Immigrant]

I meant to say medicaid. Not Medicare. My wife and kids were on medicaid when she was pregnant and a little after. Never had to pay for anything. No copay. No meaning deductions. Nothing at all.

Can't say I know much about medicare.

I don’t qualify for Medicaid. I make $17 a month too much, but I’m way below the poverty level. I also make $34 a month too much to qualify for SNAP. I can’t work, but if I could, I’d be allowed to earn up to X amount before my SS benefits are reduced. I’ve never bothered to find out what “X” is, because if I could work, I would.

Social Security Disablity is a way for society to say we care but not enough to make sure you’re okay.

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

I looked at the link briefly. I’ll look again.

Maybe it would make me more excited if a Grand was really livable at all, cuz it ain’t.

That’s the tab I clicked.

Grand? Definitely not livable. Would it help? Fuck yeah, for a lot of people.

 

[Amstel]

Social Security Disablity is a way for society to say we care but not enough to make sure you’re okay.

This is exactly how UBI will be. It sounds like a good plan now [like social security, medicaid, medicare, etc.] and our benevolent government will look out at it's citizens and pat themselves on the back, but it will all need to be massively subsidized by our own individual efforts.

If you're relying on someone else to provide your happiness, they'll define it for you.

You'll never be happier than an average dog. You'll have some good days and some bad days, but where you sleep and what you eat will just be something you accept. Because 'it's free' & what other viable options are there, really?

 

[OOD]

I don’t qualify for Medicaid. I make $17 a month too much, but I’m way below the poverty level. I also make $34 a month too much to qualify for SNAP. I can’t work, but if I could, I’d be allowed to earn up to X amount before my SS benefits are reduced. I’ve never bothered to find out what “X” is, because if I could work, I would.

Social Security Disablity is a way for society to say we care but not enough to make sure you’re okay.

I double checked. He called it medicare-for-all and describes it as holistic healthcare. That's one I'll look into more to make sure it looks good. It's defenantly bad branding to call it Medicare when that is not what he's describing.

 

[wetwillie]

Social Security Disablity is a way for society to say we care but not enough to make sure you’re okay.

Strictly based on lifetime earnings. Really sucks for young people, especially women who took years off to have and raise kids.

Edit-add(after seeing @OOD 's gravy) - and sucks for stay-at-home dads and all who are part-times for a variety of reasons..

 

[OOD]

This is exactly how UBI will be. It sounds like a good plan now [like social security, medicaid, medicare, etc.] and our benevolent government will look out at it's citizens and pat themselves on the back, but it will all need to be massively subsidized by our own individual efforts.

If you're relying on someone else to provide your happiness, they'll define it for you.

You'll never be happier than an average dog. You'll have some good days and some bad days, but where you sleep and what you eat will just be something you accept. Because 'it's free' & what other viable options are there, really?

Not everyone is as proud as you.

UBI supplies actual money, so people get to choose what they use it for. They get to choose where they sleep what they buy. There is no "well I guess since it's free" there is "I can apply this UBI to the products and services of my choosing. I don't have to settle for that other thing."

Don't confuse me explaining this obvious thing as trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think about it. Just clearing it up for others. You will always think it will hurt you, but if you would look into it you would see that it would actually probably benefit you. But you won't look into the "how it's paid for" because you make up your mind before hand. It helps to look outside of your bias. It's a shame you refuse to do that on every political topic.

 

[Mr. Argumentor]

My dog damn near pisses herself out of happiness 3 out of 5 days of the week when I get home. I'd pay to be that happy regularly

 

[HipHugHer]

Not everyone is as proud as you.

UBI supplies actual money, so people get to choose what they use it for. They get to choose where they sleep what they buy. There is no "well I guess since it's free" there is "I can apply this UBI to the products and services of my choosing. I don't have to settle for that other thing."

Don't confuse me explaining this obvious thing as trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think about it. Just clearing it up for others. You will always think it will hurt you, but if you would look into it you would see that it would actually probably benefit you. But you won't look into the "how it's paid for" because you make up your mind before hand. It helps to look outside of your bias. It's a shame you refuse to do that on every political topic.

If these people will get "free money" to spend however they wish, I'm going into the dope dealing business the first week of every month then taking the next 3 weeks off to sleep on my pile of money.
Might offer tattoos and $150 hair dye jobs on the side as well.

 

[wetwillie]

If these people will get "free money" to spend however they wish, I'm going into the dope dealing business the first week of every month then taking the next 3 weeks off to sleep on my pile of money.
Might offer tattoos and $150 hair dye jobs on the side as well.

You'll need a house in a nice suburb so the suburbanites feel comfortable. Everyone knows poor people don't use nearly as many drugs - you'd have to rob and mug/thug on the side to make ends meet.
*Most dye jobs only run about $40-50. Sometime I win the argument and she lets me do it at home and save all but $6-9 of that. And the tip - she gives me no fucking tip.

 

[Domon]

there will absolutely be some people that abuse a UBI. Theyll make poor life choices just like they do with money they currently earn/steal/borrow under our current system.

Its what percentage of people you think those types comprise thats the question. If its 20%? unrestricted UBI is probably a bad idea.

What is an acceptable percentage?

 

[Amstel]

Not everyone is as proud as you.

UBI supplies actual money, so people get to choose what they use it for. They get to choose where they sleep what they buy. There is no "well I guess since it's free" there is "I can apply this UBI to the products and services of my choosing. I don't have to settle for that other thing."

Don't confuse me explaining this obvious thing as trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think about it. Just clearing it up for others. You will always think it will hurt you, but if you would look into it you would see that it would actually probably benefit you. But you won't look into the "how it's paid for" because you make up your mind before hand. It helps to look outside of your bias. It's a shame you refuse to do that on every political topic.

We did this yesterday? The day before? I was asking you for specifics and you bailed then & turned to virtue signaling. And you're doing it again.

There is no "well I guess since it's free" there is "I can apply this UBI to the products and services of my choosing. I don't have to settle for that other thing."

You can't do that on welfare now. Where is this imaginary society where everything stays the same as it is now, but *magically* you'll have an additional $1000 to spend?

It won't stay the same. There is no magic money.

These debates sound like kids chatting amongst themselves about how much better the world would be if they were in charge of their parents money.