Which politician are you most in tune with?

1. Theoretical cock in the ass (100%) Information Link
2. Barack Obama (80%) Information link
3. Dennis Kucinich (74%) Information link
4. Hillary Clinton (70%) Information link
5. Joseph Biden (69%) Information link
6. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (69%) Information link
7. Al Gore (not announced) (67%) Information link
8. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (67%) Information link
9. Christopher Dodd (66%) Information link
10. John Edwards (66%) Information link
11. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (62%) Information link

Not too surprising, although hardly anyone takes up my position on a lot of issues *sigh*.

Where's the candidate who is pro-personal freedoms, and pro-free trade???

Although this site says Obama "Strongly opposes the Death Penalty" something I haven't read on other sites, but something I can agree with.
 
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A bunch of elephants but I won't vote and most people assume opinions don't matter after you say that.
 
Arátoeldar said:
I like him because he is a throwback to our founding fathers. However he scares the hell out of me on defense and border security.
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How so? He's a strong proponent of national defense, he simply feels that our current actions are putting us in greater danger. He, unlike any of the other candidates save for maybe the other nutjob Kucinich, understands what the CIA has been telling us for fifty years.

Blowback. When you start fucking with the government of another country, their people will start fucking with you. Ron Paul doesn't pretend that 9/11 happened because Osama bin Laden hates freedom and apple pie. He doesn't pretend that America was an innocent victim that day. He's smart enough to realize that we bring such shit on ourselves by overthrowing democratically elected governments in the middle east and giving weapons to all sides in any conflict to they can kill each other with greater efficiency.

Ron Paul is the only one that genuinely does care about defense of this country, he just doesn't confuse defense with nation-building or pretending to spread fake democracy around the world.

Oh and he's a strong proponent of American sovereignty as well. Tighter border control on both sides but an open immigration policy that makes legal immigration easier so that people can be tracked and taxed appropriately. Open immigration with borders sealed tighter than a dolphin's asshole. :cool:
 
eileenbunny said:
He's great on some things, but the things I disagree with him about I STRONGLY disagree with him on. Also, I have no idea what his position on environmental issues is, and that bugs me.
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He cares about the environment, he just doesn't trust the EPA and the federal government to take care of it. Because they don't. The EPA does more harm than good to the environment and the biggest polluter on the planet is the US federal government because it does not have to follow its own rules, the very rules it sets on private industry through the EPA.
 
FlyNavy said:
How so? He's a strong proponent of national defense, he simply feels that our current actions are putting us in greater danger. He, unlike any of the other candidates save for maybe the other nutjob Kucinich, understands what the CIA has been telling us for fifty years.

Blowback. When you start fucking with the government of another country, their people will start fucking with you. Ron Paul doesn't pretend that 9/11 happened because Osama bin Laden hates freedom and apple pie. He doesn't pretend that America was an innocent victim that day. He's smart enough to realize that we bring such shit on ourselves by overthrowing democratically elected governments in the middle east and giving weapons to all sides in any conflict to they can kill each other with greater efficiency.

Ron Paul is the only one that genuinely does care about defense of this country, he just doesn't confuse defense with nation-building or pretending to spread fake democracy around the world.

Oh and he's a strong proponent of American sovereignty as well. Tighter border control on both sides but an open immigration policy that makes legal immigration easier so that people can be tracked and taxed appropriately. Open immigration with borders sealed tighter than a dolphin's asshole. :cool:
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Disbanding the CIA, FBI, and NSA is the worst fucking idea for defense ever. The man is just fucking crazy.

edit: BTW, this is what I got from shawn's link
Rudy Giuliani
Score: 49
 
1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (67%) Information link
3. Ron Paul (63%) Information link
4. Alan Keyes (60%) Information link
5. John McCain (56%) Information link
 
fly said:
Disbanding the CIA, FBI, and NSA is the worst fucking idea for defense ever. The man is just fucking crazy.

edit: BTW, this is what I got from shawn's link
Rudy Giuliani
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Of course it's a bad idea and that's not what he intends to do. His (extremely valid) point is that despite the massive funding of those agencies we are not safer. The problem is not a lack of money or resources, it's that the money and resources they have are being wasted. He wouldn't disband the CIA, FBI or NSA in the course of eight years. DHS, on the other hand, would be gone immediately because it has done absolutely NOTHING to make us safer. It has increased spending and manpower but that has also been wasted. Agencies still don't talk to each other any better than they did before 9/11.

We have fourteen intelligence agencies in the US. FOURTEEN. There is no reason to have that many when a single agency could handle the majority of those tasks with a lot less money. The FBI has overextended its authority time and time and time again going far beyond its intended purpose.

If actually giving a shit about the Constitution, about state rights, about personal freedom, about national security and about the future of this country is crazy then I weep for this society.
 
Uhhh, iirc, that is a direct quote from the only debate that I saw him in. He would get RID of them.

edit: And the Fed too. WTF, the main reason of the federal government was to handle interstate commerce.
 
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fly said:
Uhhh, iirc, that is a direct quote from the only debate that I saw him in. He would get RID of them.

edit: And the Fed too. WTF, the main reason of the federal government was to handle interstate commerce.
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I doubt that :fly: But if you can find said quote we'll put it into context and find out what was really said, not what Hannity wants you to think he said. :p


The Federal Reserve is not a government agency, for starters. The Federal Reserve system, which took us off the gold standard, has put our economy directly into the hands of a small group of people instead of being in the hands of the people.

And no, the main reason for the federal government was to protect the rights of its citizens. Regulating interstate commerce was another point but not the main one and they did plenty of perfectly reasonable regulating without central banking system. The government's job is not to manage the economy on all levels, merely regulate interstate trade.
 
Sarcasmo said:
Ron Paul will never be president. Sorry about that.
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Unfortunately I think you're right. And that's what saddens me. People don't give a shit about the larger issues at hand. People figure the status quo must be kept so they can enjoy their buffalo wings and American Idol. No, it's way too much effort to actually get this country on a rational track of advancement. It's too much effort to take responsibility for our own decisions and mistakes, let's just have Uncle Sam handle it all. He certainly knows better.

Ron Paul won't win because he is the only candidate that advocates smaller government. The only candidate that would actually deliver on that promise and the only candidate that would run this country as the Constitution says it should be run.

But people don't give a fuck about that. It's too hard. It's too inconvenient to actually look into our local politicians and get involved in our state governments. It's too inconvenient to take care of the environment our damn selves. It's too inconvenient to research a company's safety and ethical records before buying from them or working for them. It's too inconvenient to take safety and security into our own hands.

It's too fucking inconvenient for people to actually be American and that's why Ron Paul won't win. But I am going to slap people in the face with that every single day until the election and then remind them that they are the reason Hillary has ruined our economy with universal health care or Rudy has incited a nuclear attack on American soil by invading another country.
 
FlyNavy said:
I doubt that :fly: But if you can find said quote we'll put it into context and find out what was really said, not what Hannity wants you to think he said. :p
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I actually heard it with my own ears during a debate.


The Federal Reserve is not a government agency, for starters. The Federal Reserve system, which took us off the gold standard, has put our economy directly into the hands of a small group of people instead of being in the hands of the people.

And no, the main reason for the federal government was to protect the rights of its citizens. Regulating interstate commerce was another point but not the main one and they did plenty of perfectly reasonable regulating without central banking system. The government's job is not to manage the economy on all levels, merely regulate interstate trade.
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I'm too busy to debate this, and its technically offtopic for this thread. (I started it, I know. I suck.)
 
fly said:
I actually heard it with my own ears during a debate.
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Which debate? We can pull the transcripts. :fly:
I'm too busy to debate this, and its technically offtopic for this thread. (I started it, I know. I suck.)
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but it's ontopic because it goes to the specific candidate that I'm most in tune with!


edit: also, Ron Paul takes a very liberal approach to prepositions. that enhappys me
 
I don't believe he's moderated one. :o

Bottom line, he's not planning on eliminating the CIA. He just wants it restructured so it's not a huge waste of money, so that it actually does something useful once in a while. The NSA, NRO, ONI, NGA, DIA, CIFA, AF ISR and a number of other agencies can all be incorporated into an agency responsible for centralizing intelligence. I don't know, some kind of...central intelligence agency, if you will.

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He's not going to disband them. You don't even know what you heard yet you take it upon faith that he's planning on completely eliminating all these things. Read into it, read into the policies and why he makes the statements he does. He's not an idiot, he understands the importance of having an FBI and a CIA, he just realizes that they haven't done their jobs and many of their actions have either put us in far greater danger (overthrowing democratically elected governments around the world) or trampled on our civil liberties (warrantless wiretaps, Wars on Nouns).


edit: In fact it's the CIA that has produced the majority of the documents, opinions and officers that back up Paul's position that 9/11 and all other attacks against Americans by middle eastern radicals are due to US foreign policy there. :lol:


The Department of Education, on the other hand, would be on the top of the list. It's one of the worst things about the American public education system. The EPA would go pretty quickly, too, since it does more harm than good to the environment. The rest of the alphabet soup departments (why the FRAK do we have a Bureau of Indian Affairs??!?) would go under very strict scrutiny and if said agency can't be justified under the Constitution - the very thing that gives our President, Congress and every last single piece of our government the legal authority it has - then it goes bye-bye.

He's not going to just sign away these things on his first day, though. The vast majority of his goals simply can't be accomplished in a four- or even eight-year term because all of those changes require time, the require a transitional period. However it's important to be on the right track and even more important to just once have an honest fucking politician that doesn't change his mind at the drop of a hat. Ron Paul is the only one up there with some fucking principles.

Rudy lies through his teeth, doesn't give a shit about any of us. Hillary is a die-hard socialist elitist that would love for all of us to have salary caps as long as she gets her power. And Obama is just an empty suit that looks good on camera but doesn't actually have anything concrete to say.

Sarcasmo's right. Ron Paul won't win the Presidency. He won't even win the nomination. And it's because too few people actually care. As long as their lives aren't directly affected, they just don't give a damn.
 
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