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This was 2 1/2 years ago...I understand the elderly, but able-bodied people? Get a fucking job. These fucks could be half way to a degree by now. Christ...and now they will sue the government. If I have to pay for insurance, why the fuck do these folks get a free ticket?

http://www.cnn.com/2008....ex.html

FEMA to move people out of trailers with toxic threat

* Story Highlights
* NEW: FEMA to boost efforts to get Katrina victims out of potentially toxic trailers
* Official: CDC wants victims out by summer because heat exacerbates problem
* Cancer research agency, EPA: Formaldehyde a carcinogen or probable carcinogen
* CDC last year dismissed environmental findings that trailers posed health risk

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Authorities say they will step up efforts to move hurricane victims out of more than 35,000 trailers now that tests indicate possibly high levels of formaldehyde contamination.

Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator David Paulison made the announcement Thursday.

The Centers for Disease Control has said fumes from 519 tested trailer and mobile homes in Louisiana and Mississippi were on average about five times what people are exposed to in most modern homes.

In some trailers, the levels were more than 50 times the customary exposure levels, raising fears that residents could contract respiratory problems.

FEMA -- which supplied the trailers -- should move people out quickly, with priority given to families with children, elderly people or anyone with asthma or other chronic conditions, said Mike McGeehin, director of a CDC division that focuses on environmental hazards.

"We do not want people exposed to this for very much longer," McGeehin said.

In New Orleans, Jim Herring, 63, who recently moved back into his partially renovated house in the badly flooded Lakeview neighborhood, said he wasn't surprised about the finding.

"The workmanship is pathetic," said Herring, a retiree who worked for 25 years in a chemical plant.

Herring and his wife, Susan, decided not to stay in their trailer, which they received in April 2007. Both Herrings are smokers, but Jim Herring said he did not have a cough until they moved into it.

"Let's face it, these things were not meant to be lived in for a year," Susan Herring said.

FEMA spokesmen said more than 35,000 of the trailers and mobile homes are still occupied in Louisiana and Mississippi more than two years after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita laid waste to much of the two states' coastlines.

With housing still in short supply -- 80 percent of New Orleans was flooded and the pace of rebuilding has been slow -- many were unsure of their next move.

"I got nowhere else to go," said 75-year-old Ernest Penns, whose FEMA trailer is his only shelter.

While there are no federal safety standards for formaldehyde fumes in homes, the levels found in the trailers are high enough to cause burning eyes and breathing problems for people who have asthma or sensitivity to air pollutants, said McGeehin.

CDC officials said the study did not prove people became sick from the fumes, but merely took a snapshot reading of fume levels. Only formaldehyde was tested, they added.

FEMA provided about 120,000 travel trailers to victims of the 2005 hurricanes Katrina and Rita. In 2006, some occupants began reporting headaches and nosebleeds.

The complaints were linked to formaldehyde, a colorless gas with a pungent smell used in the production of plywood and resins.

Commonly used in manufactured homes, formaldehyde can cause respiratory problems and has been classified as a carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer and as a probable carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Last May, FEMA officials dismissed findings by environmentalists that the trailers posed serious health risks. They said the trailers conformed to industry standards.

By August, about 1,000 families in Louisiana asked FEMA to move them to other quarters. In November, lawyers for a group of hurricane victims asked a federal judge to order FEMA to test for hazardous fumes.

The CDC, working with FEMA, hired a contractor. The firm -- Bureau Veritas North America -- tested air samples from 358 travel trailers, 82 park model trailers and 79 mobile homes.

Analysis of the samples, taken from December 21 through January 23, came back last week, McGeehin said.

They found average levels of 77 parts formaldehyde per billion parts of air, significantly higher than the 10 to 17 parts per billion concentration seen in newer homes. Levels were as high as 590 parts per billion.

The highest concentrations were in travel trailers, which are smaller and more poorly ventilated, McGeehin said.

Indoor air temperature was a significant factor in raising formaldehyde levels, independent of trailer make or model, CDC officials said. McGeehin said that's why the CDC would like residents out before summer.

A broader-based children's health study is also in the works, McGeehin said.

Last week, congressional Democrats accused FEMA of manipulating scientific research in order to play down the danger posed by formaldehyde in the trailers.

Sen. Barack Obama, who has criticized FEMA's response in the past, called for President Bush on Thursday to "immediately find safe shelter for these families, who have suffered so much."

In its initial round of testing, FEMA took samples from unoccupied trailers that had been aired out for days and compared them with federal standards for short-term exposure, according to the lawmakers.

Legislators also said the CDC ignored research from -- and then demoted -- one of its own experts, who concluded any level of exposure to formaldehyde may pose a cancer risk. A CDC spokesman has denied the allegations.

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if he worked 25 years in a chemical plant the odds of the trailer being worse than what he's already been exposed to are pretty slim.
 
Although I tend to agree with you, I've never seen poverty like I've seen in Louisiana and Mississippi. It's hard to believe that there are places like that in the prosperous USA. It's really depressing and I battle in my own mind about helping these people versus them helping themselves. There aren't a lot of jobs in these places and they aren't great paying jobs. It's really tough for me not to have a heart about it, but it's also really tough for me to pay taxes and know that there are other people living off of my hard earned money (well, my husband's hard earned money, I don't have a job).
 
Although I tend to agree with you, I've never seen poverty like I've seen in Louisiana and Mississippi. It's hard to believe that there are places like that in the prosperous USA. It's really depressing and I battle in my own mind about helping these people versus them helping themselves. There aren't a lot of jobs in these places and they aren't great paying jobs. It's really tough for me not to have a heart about it, but it's also really tough for me to pay taxes and know that there are other people living off of my hard earned money (well, my husband's hard earned money, I don't have a job).

I see people hustling the system EVERY DAY down in south st pete..

and I am also torn betw feeling sorry for families caught in generational poverty and remembering that if you work hard enough you can "succeed".

as long as I can remember I've had more than one job. and not just dj'n.
 
as long as I can remember I've had more than one job. and not just dj'n.

If I know one thing about you, Case, it's that you break your ass. Nobody can take that away form you. It's so hard for me to see people fucking off when I'm at work/school, etc for 60+ hours per week. It also pisses me off that I pay for my own health insurance, car insurance, and homeowners, etc. in th event of a tragedy while others wait for the government to bring them fucking bottled water when they could have fucking walked fast enough to avert this had they left when they were told.

Move on. Flip burgers in another town during the day and work at Kinkos at night until you build up enough capital to move up. There are programs in place specifically for minorities to help them rise up from poverty. Fuck this lazy gimme shit.
 
oh, i agree.. and thanks.




imagine my dismay as I watched a lady in front of me at the grocery store buy surf and turf with her food stamps and I got my spaghetti and butter for the week with the cash i had from one of my four jobs at the time and headed home to make it at the house I shared with 3 other dudes cause I couldn't afford to live any other way.

:mad:
 
When I worked at a grocery store in high school I would see people buy all this food with food stamps and then whip out large wads of cash to pay for the alcohol and cartoon upon cartoon of cigarettes. It use to piss me off.
 
or pick up their "free" turkey dinners at thanksgiving ridin on 22 inch rims..


or pick up their THIRD "free" bike at the rec.


or pick up their "free" lunch in 200 dollar jordans.




i could go on forever.


or pick up their earned income tax credit on 6 kids that are already getting subsidized housing and free meals twice a day.


or.... or.. or.. or. o...
 
or pick up their "free" turkey dinners at thanksgiving ridin on 22 inch rims..


or pick up their THIRD "free" bike at the rec.


or pick up their "free" lunch in 200 dollar jordans.




i could go on forever.


or pick up their earned income tax credit on 6 kids that are already getting subsidized housing and free meals twice a day.


or.... or.. or.. or. o...

One of my old employees would make about 500-800 a week depending on production and would go to the food pantries every other week. Claiming 4 person household and going to more than one place. Her car would be completely full of food and she lived rent free because she ran the motel she lived in. Her boyfriend also lived with her and made good money... I wish I could have fired her for it.

You see it a lot in Clearwater, people bumming change and then driving away. We had a birds eye view from the old office, not pretty.
 
As recently as mid-last year there were still people here in houston crying because FEMA was gonna cut off thier free rent theyd been getting all this time.
Fucking leeches.
 
the topic annoys me maybe more than any other.


maybe cause i see it every day. people wanna have a lotta kids and then expect the gov't to raise em.



or expect a "disability" check when the only disability is no home-training.
 
the topic annoys me maybe more than any other.


maybe cause i see it every day. people wanna have a lotta kids and then expect the gov't to raise em.



or expect a "disability" check when the only disability is no home-training.

You would think with all the extra time not working there kids would get good parenting :(
 
Years ago I was on welfare. I broke my back and I couldn't work for awhile. The thing that really got me was the people working for welfare- the social workers basicly- didn't seemed all that eager to get people off welfare.

Are there jobs to get? In Cleveland (which pre-Katrina was about as poor as New Orleans) we had six thousand people apply for three hundred positions at a Wal-Mart that opened here recently. I've been looking for a job for awhile and there really isn't anything out there.

Do poor people abuse the system? Yes. But so do rich people. How many companies has PO boxes in the Carribean so they can claim that they are headquarted there so they don't have to pay US taxes?

I'll bet that there are people working for the Government that depend on the Katrina people for their income. So of course they aren't going to push these people to become self-sufficent becasue they would be out of a job.
 
Years ago I was on welfare. I broke my back and I couldn't work for awhile. The thing that really got me was the people working for welfare- the social workers basicly- didn't seemed all that eager to get people off welfare.

Are there jobs to get? In Cleveland (which pre-Katrina was about as poor as New Orleans) we had six thousand people apply for three hundred positions at a Wal-Mart that opened here recently. I've been looking for a job for awhile and there really isn't anything out there.

Do poor people abuse the system? Yes. But so do rich people. How many companies has PO boxes in the Carribean so they can claim that they are headquarted there so they don't have to pay US taxes?

I'll bet that there are people working for the Government that depend on the Katrina people for their income. So of course they aren't going to push these people to become self-sufficent becasue they would be out of a job.

I think the thing about poor people working the system is that they are getting a free ride, while we slave away. At least rich people pay something into the system...
 
it was on this very same forum i warned you all right after katrina not to be altruistic. man is always self-serving. it's best if you trust noone.

the more i know about humans, the better i like dogs.

have at it, i am the ghost of christmas future, albeit more pleasent to welcome into your bedchamber at that hour of the night.