Ontopic The "Should not have done that" thread V. Sexual Misdeeds

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And while we're at it we might as well discuss the gray area too. My daughter is 17 and a half years old and I find out she's in some kind of relationship with the 24 and a half year old. And he has all the best intentions to become betrothed and someday married and etc etc. It's a lot different than the forty-two-year-old. And I can't even really tell you why but it is.
 

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More along the lines of "well ya gotta draw a line somewhere" vs. having consensual sex with someone aged 17 years, 364 days (or whatever legal age is -1 day) and you committed sexual assault on a minor. Do the same thing the next day and it's perfectly fine.

Hell if you time it right you could even go from felon to innocent during the act.

To a thinking person that makes no sense.
My thinking person thought is you initiated it as a crime. Shows intent.
 

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People don't suddenly mature or morph from child to adult in minutes or a day. It's a long process.
According to the law though, they magically go from minor who can't make their own decisions to full blown adult and everything that comes with it overnight.
We'd have to test and rate each young person on a regular basis to make it fair AND safe for Them and burden them with legal responsibilities appropriately. Current system is based on generalizations. If you have a better way to apply legal guidelines to developing humans, do tell.
 

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We'd have to test and rate each young person on a regular basis to make it fair AND safe for Them and burden them with legal responsibilities appropriately. Current system is based on generalizations. If you have a better way to apply legal guidelines to developing humans, do tell.
Not sure but there has to be some better way than just going from child to adult at the stroke of midnight.

Some kinda sliding scale?
Classes then learners permit then practice with an adult present then test then you're on your own?


Some states at least have laws where high school sweethearts don't suddenly become felons and rape victims on their birthday but again there's an arbitrary number stuck to that too regarding age difference. To borrow nukes example, if she's 17 and he's 18 that's OK, if he's 42 it's not. Sounds reasonable to me but how and where do you draw a legal line between OK and not OK? Is 22 OK? If no, how about 21? If yes, how about 23?

Somewhere you're going to land on a number and say that's it, one single day more and you're a felon.


Flip it around and make him 17 and her 42. Would that be treated the same? Rhetorical question. We all know the answer.
 

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Some kinda sliding scale?
We're both acknowledging that would be nice because using age isn't fair on an individual basis. I want to know how that would be done/decided. Some people are dead serious and mature at 15, others not at 60.

It's 16 in North Carolina. Is that OK just because the law says so?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America
Apparently so. We have criminal laws and civil court systems. The law is the law. They provide a means of reducing criminals in our midst and to live more civilly. Not everyone wants to forgo calling the po-po or an attorney as needed.
 

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We're both acknowledging that would be nice because using age isn't fair on an individual basis. I want to know how that would be done/decided. Some people are dead serious and mature at 15, others not at 60.

Apparently so. We have criminal laws and civil court systems. The law is the law. They provide a means of reducing criminals in our midst and to live more civilly. Not everyone wants to forgo calling the po-po or an attorney as needed.
Kinda what I'm getting at. Make a blanket law and disregard people being different.
 
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Yes. I'm consistent.
OK.

Main point is can't always use law as some delineator between right and wrong.

If your daughter and her boyfriend went to visit Ape&fly and did it in the bathroom where it's 18, that would be considered wrong and he'd be a felon. If they stopped at OOD's coffeeshop on the way back and did it in the bathroom there where it's 16, that would be considered right and OK.*

It's the exact same people doing the exact same thing.** It may well be legal in one place and illegal in another but it can't be both right and wrong.


* Assuming non gender specific bathrooms in both cases.

** It feels f'n weird using your kids in examples like this.
 

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It's the exact same people doing the exact same thing.** It may well be legal in one place and illegal in another but it can't be both right and wrong.
Look, people a lot smarter than you or I have figured out that simply being in the boundaries of South Carolina makes you smarter and more mature.


















(this only works if iirc OOD's coffee shop is in SC. For the sake of the post, this is assumed!)
 

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Kinda what I'm getting at. Make a blanket law and disregard people being different.
Sometimes blanketing is the only way to reduce people gaming the system with bribes and such. The time and cost to try to fairly adjudicate every aspect of life would be astronomical. Laws aren't presumed to be fair in all cases, just in the majority. So we have some guidelines and boundries that all are made aware of. Sentencing guidelines for judges is about all the latitude you can expect if you fall short of the glory of the LAW(D). :oops:

Oh, the attitude of the prosecuting attorney and the budget of the Prosecutor's Office is another wild card in equal justice.
 
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More along the lines of "well ya gotta draw a line somewhere" vs. having consensual sex with someone aged 17 years, 364 days (or whatever legal age is -1 day) and you committed sexual assault on a minor. Do the same thing the next day and it's perfectly fine.

Hell if you time it right you could even go from felon to innocent during the act.

To a thinking person that makes no sense.
My son had a friend in HS (they grew up together) who was 17 and his girlfriend was 15. As with a large chunk of kids, he was a young 17 and she was an old 15. They honestly pondered breaking up on his 18th birthday.

Kid stuff, but still. How stupid.
 

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OK.

Main point is can't always use law as some delineator between right and wrong.

If your daughter and her boyfriend went to visit Ape&fly and did it in the bathroom where it's 18, that would be considered wrong and he'd be a felon. If they stopped at OOD's coffeeshop on the way back and did it in the bathroom there where it's 16, that would be considered right and OK.*

It's the exact same people doing the exact same thing.** It may well be legal in one place and illegal in another but it can't be both right and wrong.


* Assuming non gender specific bathrooms in both cases.

** It feels f'n weird using your kids in examples like this.
Thank you! You have helped my argument that State’s Rights are stupid.
 

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State’s Rights are stupid.
idk. I think you've got to thank individual states for slowly turning around the national view of marijuana. It's supposed to work this way for all states, in a slow, deliberate competitive arena.

We're all just waiting for Ohio to start chipping in. :lol: