Ontopic The Shooting Thread
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Yeah, the guy is something less than couth, but, you need a concealed carry license to open carry here. Despite the hype, Texas isn't as loose with its gun laws as even some New England states.
He's been through the checks, is not a criminal, and is most likely not a threat. Doesn't mean he's not a dick, but he's not a threat.
Conversely, no permit of any kind needed to open carry a long gun. It will most certainly bring some questions from law enforcement, but if he was carrying an AR15, (or a shotgun, or a lever action) like that, he would have to be stopped, questioned, ID'ed, and have his name run through the cops computer before they could verify he was OK. At least with the pistol you know all that's already been done, so unless he committed some felony in the last year or two, he's probably not illegal/a threat. Doesn't make him any less of an insensitive dick but laws are laws.
Agree/disagree it kind of illustrates how laws differ from state to state, and how CNN or whoever can plaster that video everywhere and make us look nuts to other people in other places.
how many active “school drills” morphed into kids dying with convenient subjects nearby for instant “point/counterpoint” interviews can America stand?
i’m fed-up, but not triggered.
how many active “school drills” morphed into kids dying with convenient subjects nearby for instant “point/counterpoint” interviews can America stand?
i’m fed-up, but not triggered.
The whole "assault rifle" thing wasn't getting any traction so now we're down to shotguns and pocket J-frames.
Yeah, the guy is something less than couth, but, you need a concealed carry license to open carry here. Despite the hype, Texas isn't as loose with its gun laws as even some New England states.
He's been through the checks, is not a criminal, and is most likely not a threat. Doesn't mean he's not a dick, but he's not a threat.
Conversely, no permit of any kind needed to open carry a long gun. It will most certainly bring some questions from law enforcement, but if he was carrying an AR15, (or a shotgun, or a lever action) like that, he would have to be stopped, questioned, ID'ed, and have his name run through the cops computer before they could verify he was OK. At least with the pistol you know all that's already been done, so unless he committed some felony in the last year or two, he's probably not illegal/a threat. Doesn't make him any less of an insensitive dick but laws are laws.
Agree/disagree it kind of illustrates how laws differ from state to state, and how CNN or whoever can plaster that video everywhere and make us look nuts to other people in other places.
The video and response I’ve seen had zero to do with the legality of it. It’s been 100% around the insensitivity and douch move of having it there.
Of course it is. Emotional reaction Trump's everything else, Everytime. Especially when your goal is to attract eyeballs/mouse clicks.
I have no idea about the weird capitalizations in that^. I never hit shift once.
how many active “school drills” morphed into kids dying with convenient subjects nearby for instant “point/counterpoint” interviews can America stand?
i’m fed-up, but not triggered.
Your typical 18-1/2" barrel, long magazine type shotgun holds what, 7 or 8, depending on if you chamber one and top off? Revolver was at most 6 though maybe 5.
Assuming a insane murderous 17 year old is not an expert shot, especially in some situation such as this, he would've had to reload at least twice. Or just keep topping off the shotgun as you go. 10 dead, 10 more injured. Kind of blows a hole in the whole omg high capacity assault rifle mantra, don't it?
Even a standard hunting shotgun holds 5. You have to put a plug in it to cut it down to 3 for duck hunting in a lot of places.
Not trying to sound all cold and calculating. Just these type of things these guys literally have people "fish in a barrel". Taking a couple/few seconds to throw more shells in your "low capacity" weapon means nothing. Where they gonna run to?
I was reading some BBC article about "America and it's gun problem" or whatever. Of course they don't get it but there was some list of "possible solutions". Everything from abolishing the second amendment to arming teachers. The one that made the most sense as far as something you could do fairly quickly and affordably was simply cutting a hole in the wall so each classroom had 2 doors instead of 1. Doesn't cure the problem but reduces the damage. Eliminates the fish-in-a-barrel effect a lot more than banning weapons people can still obtain anyway.
If he didn't have the flag too, it probably wouldn't have had the reaction it is having.
What if he had a Mexican flag?
Or, to keep it objective, maybe a flag from a certain region of Estonia?
You can't divide the world into "gun fuckers" and good guys.
The money you spend on weaponry funds the NRA which lobbies to allow this to continue.
Your nihilist "what can we do?" arguments enforce the idea that solutions are unworkable.
The same culture of rugged individualism that feeds these killers allows you to shirk responsibility for the impact of your decisions. This is a society: everything is interconnected, responsibility is shared.
It's no different than the way shopping at Walmart feeds inequality.
Everyone can fuck off with the " mental health" and "whack job" bullshit. Your attempts to other the killers are facile, transparent, and fact-free. Mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victims of violence and it is disgusting that you offer them up as scapegoats. Socially aberrant behavior is not evidence of mental illness. People have always killed people: arguing for access to incredibly efficient tools of killing only enables this.
We have laws against all kinds of antisocial behavior, yet the behavior still occurs. Clearly these laws are worthless and should be scrapped in the name of FREEDOM.
The one thing that every single shooting has in common?
Guns.
You're on the wrong side of history.
Slavers thought they were "good guys" as well.
Supporters of child labor thought they were "good guys".
The killers of people fighting for a 40hr work week thought they were "good guys".
The cops who set dogs on civil rights protesters thought they were "good guys".
The "uninvolved" people who supported all of these social ills also thought that they were "good guys".
We like to frame historical progress as a fulfillment of our society's values.
This is a false understanding.
The ideas were antithetical to our actual values, that is why they had to be fought for.
Just as Christians will hold up the Bible to claim moral uprightness while behaving immorally; actions reveal more than words.
This is a false understanding.
The ideas were antithetical to our actual values, that is why they had to be fought for.
Just as Christians will hold up the Bible to claim moral uprightness while behaving immorally; actions reveal more than words.