WTF So I just dick'd my butt
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Just finding out that apparently three pallets of products were shipped with the tamper seals applied incorrectly. Workers are claiming that technically they are correct in their interpretation of the S.O.P. Unfortunately, by the most strict, word for word interpretation of the S.O.P., they appear to be correct, so we cant do anything but hold meetings with them and rewrite the S.O.P.
For 10 years this portion of the S.O.P. has been adequate and unchanged, but now that they have one idiot on the team that doesn't pay attention to the OJT they are hiding behind it instead of telling him he fucked up.
Just finding out that apparently three pallets of products were shipped with the tamper seals applied incorrectly. Workers are claiming that technically they are correct in their interpretation of the S.O.P. Unfortunately, by the most strict, word for word interpretation of the S.O.P., they appear to be correct, so we cant do anything but hold meetings with them and rewrite the S.O.P.
For 10 years this portion of the S.O.P. has been adequate and unchanged, but now that they have one idiot on the team that doesn't pay attention to the OJT they are hiding behind it instead of telling him he fucked up.
Those guys that you guys consider dopes that screw your job up are my kindred spirits. Without those imbeciles, you’d be doing their jobs and someone smarter than you would have yours.
Respect each other, even the dumb.
(simultaneous bird flip and reach around)
Respect each other, even the dumb.
(simultaneous bird flip and reach around)
well like they say if you' don't have dopes screwing up your job then your the dope screwing up someone elses
If I was that dude I'd flip that around to say I'm the one following policy to the letter and the rest of you are the ones not paying attention to detail or getting lackadaisical "because we've always done it that way".
Bring that up with whoever's in charge of stuff like security or legal liability then I get a bump for exposing the problem and you all get to sit in meetings about reading comprehension and word definitions and effective communication.
Then you guys can spend some time reading all the SOPs again looking for the slightest inconsistencies or lack of clarity in wording. Then we can have even more meetings about the best way to address and rewrite those.
Guy sounds pretty far away from "idiot" to me. More like "asset".
What's the postulate?... that everybody is promoted to their level of incompetence.
That also means if you've never been promoted you started at your level of incompetence and were unable to rise above it.
That also means if you've never been promoted you started at your level of incompetence and were unable to rise above it.
Of course you would. Because you didn't pay attention to your on the job training so OF COURSE it is someone else's problem.
S.O.P. says they have to be secured and tamper proof. It then goes on to outline a method that doesn't specifically outline every step in crayon.
General outline of the S.O.P. is of higher precedent than the individual steps. If you see something you bring it to attention, you dont send 3 pallets out into the world that can be fucked with with no one knowing.
Edit: precedence, not precedent
Don't you guys work with explosives? Or some kinda tightly controlled secure government type stuff?
It seems strict definitions and adherence to procedure might be kind of important at a gig like that.
If the guy followed policy to the letter, he's right.
If the other guys came up with a different way of doing it 10 years ago and still haven't changed written policy to reflect that, they're the idiots and new guy is still right
If they trained new guy to not follow policy, wtf.
It's not like this is recent. 10 f'n years.
I didn’t know there was a new guy involved. I have to agree with that. Effin new guys.
FWIW - S.O.P. states "tamper proof wire ties must be applied, appropriately twisted, and lead seal must be clamped with the day's stamp."
It does not say "thread wire through first hole. Breath, focus, now thread wire through second hole. Double check that you did not pull wire out of first hole to thread through second hole. Wire must be threaded through both holes in order to be tamper proof. When twisting wire, ensure twisted portion includes each loose end and you do not (for example) twist one loose end around itself." Etc etc
It does not say the second because if you start going into that many ways to make sure the workers aren't fucking idiots, then you've hired idiots and you need to get rid of them before someone makes something that can get someone killed.
It does not say "thread wire through first hole. Breath, focus, now thread wire through second hole. Double check that you did not pull wire out of first hole to thread through second hole. Wire must be threaded through both holes in order to be tamper proof. When twisting wire, ensure twisted portion includes each loose end and you do not (for example) twist one loose end around itself." Etc etc
It does not say the second because if you start going into that many ways to make sure the workers aren't fucking idiots, then you've hired idiots and you need to get rid of them before someone makes something that can get someone killed.
Why even have an SOP if you're not going to follow it anyway? Or update it to reflect new methods for 10 years?