I heard that one. Where they said there were 200,000 Iraqi soldiers/policemen now "standing up", which was the same number they gave a year ago (when everyone knew it was a lie).taeric said:I think a lot of the reason we don't have a clue what is going on, is that we don't trust the White House to tell us any more. There was a report on NPR where even some Republicans were having a hard time defending some of the information we've been getting recently regarding the efforts over there.