no no that's not what I meant. I didn't mean to imply that being proud of your body automatically predisposes you to posing nude, however, being proud of your body certainly does eliminate the whole shame factor in being naked so it's not such a big deal. The people who make a big deal about being naked are the ones who still find shame in nudity.taeric said:I would say do it simply because (or if) you want to. Otherwise the implication is that if you have pride in your body, you will do this. I know plenty of people that have pride in their bodies that don't want to pose nude.
brain drummer DUH!theacoustician said:I can't even fathom what you must have been thinking when you were doing this.
zengirl said:no no that's not what I meant. I didn't mean to imply that being proud of your body automatically predisposes you to posing nude, however, being proud of your body certainly does eliminate the whole shame factor in being naked so it's not such a big deal. The people who make a big deal about being naked are the ones who still find shame in nudity.
There was music playing and I was dancing. I'm really quite a big goofball in person. Here it is 3 years later and people are still laughing at it, I done good!!theacoustician said:I can't even fathom what you must have been thinking when you were doing this.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, just really wondering why you don't approve of nudity?taeric said:While I see and understand what you are saying, I am fighting the fact that I don't particularly approve of nudity. If I could think of the ways of expressing what I mean, I would do it.
Unfortunately, all I can say is that it seems like we agree, and I'm cool with that.
zengirl said:I'm not trying to be a jerk, just really wondering why you don't approve of nudity?
theacoustician said:To me, stripping isn't really the problem, but more of a possibly warning flag. Most strippers I've met are more than a little screwy in the head. This isn't to say they're all head cases or bad people though.
Thorn Bird said:there is absolutely nothing shameful about being nude. that is absolutely not the point i'm trying to make. think of all the art that has nude men and women in it. that is typically not seen as crude nor shameful. neither is the fact that men and women pose nude for artists to sketch them. spange has come home with many a nude drawings (really good ones, i might add,) and i'm impressed by his abilities, but also by the fact that the models chosen were not picture perfect.
and that's part of why i don't necessarily support the whole nude magazines thing. i don't make a big deal about it, but when thinking about what i would do, i realize that while i would certainly pose for a genuine artist, as flawful as i am, i would never pose for playboy. it is used very differently than nude art. and i realize that someone's going to argue that playboy is art, but i choose to disagree. the majority of people reaching for a playboy aren't interested in viewing the girls as art.
then you have to factor in the girls chosen to be nudes. they all look the same, and then they're airbrushed and picked at to be ready for the magazine's selling point.
and i am all for women, anyone, doing what makes them happy. i'm not saying you have to live your life for others at all. i am just trying to say that i try to live my life without regret, and i therefore make decisions very carefully to try to avoid regret. in my personal situation, i would never choose to pose for playboy because i consider my family, future or otherwise, first. however, i would not object to being drawn nude as art and worrying about my children's responses. i would tend to think that their response to me being in playboy vs. me being an art model would be quite different.
zengirl said:
very good points you've made.
I can't say that I've ever read a playboy, so I dunno what the pictures are like. I have seen a Penthouse, and that was pretty smutty. I mean lets face it, they aren't promoting the body, they're promoting sex. Maybe it isn't the fact that girls are naked in these magazines, but that they're depicted in a very sexual way, and indiscriminate sex is even more taboo than nudity.
zengirl said:Thorn, you're really a neat lady
theacoustician said:OMG Do you think I'm neat?
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