Ontopic RIP Thread

tre said:
"get some exercise"

dude, they can barely get out of bed

and the permanent solution/temporary problem thing - the people killing themselves often feel like they are a permanent problem in the lives of those who care for them, and don't want to be a burden.
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And so we hope they don't and we get a chance to tell them don't. I have a handful in my life where they did and we didn't.
Burden-guilt: yeah, that shit definitely happens. Even care-giver guilt can be pretty f'n heavy.
APRIL said:
Mental health is one of those things where everyone who has never had a chemical imbalance, PTSD, etc thinks they are an expert on it.
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I've think I've had/experienced all of those to some degree but I don't consider myself an expert layperson on mental health. Dedicated observer.
 
wetwille said:
Like, I've thought about what would happen if I took my foot off the brake and slipped in front of a speeding semi. That doesn't mean I plan to do it, ever.
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l'appel du vide is also not the same as mental health and is "normal"/happens to people who are in otherwise good mental health. even occasional suicidal ideation is normal. those are not the same as having legitimate mental illnesses.
 
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august said:
l'appel du vide is also not the same as mental health and is "normal"/happens to people who are in otherwise good mental health. even occasional suicidal ideation is normal. those are not the same as having legitimate mental illnesses.
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august said:
even occasional suicidal ideation is normal. those are not the same as having legitimate mental illnesses.
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See, we are in agreement there. Suicidal ideation IS normal. I've thought "hmm, if I killed myself, I'd not have X problem. But yeah, I'd also be dead so forget that." But maybe next time.
l'appel du vide - yes, have that frequently.
Only the Paranoid Survive: How to Identify and Exploit the Crisis Points that Challenge Every BusinessPerson. {play on the title of an Andy Grove book}
 
wetwille said:
See, we are in agreement there. Suicidal ideation IS normal. I've thought "hmm, if I killed myself, I'd not have X problem. But yeah, I'd also be dead so forget that." But maybe next time.
l'appel du vide - yes, have that frequently.
Only the Paranoid Survive: How to Identify and Exploit the Crisis Points that Challenge Every BusinessPerson. {play on the title of an Andy Grove book}
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ok but that is not the same as having legitimate mental illness. you're likening a normal thing that most people experience on occasion to having mental illness. it's the equivalent of being like "oh, I know what having cancer is like, I had a cold once"
 
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august said:
ok but that is not the same as having legitimate mental illness. you're likening a normal thing that most people experience on occasion to having mental illness. it's the equivalent of being like "oh, I know what having cancer is like, I had a cold once"
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I guess I was misunderstood. I don't think that suicidal ideation is a mental illness. I don't think you have to have a long-standing "mental illness" to kill yourself. I don't think it is necessarily(sometimes yes) even temporary mental illness to kill yourself. I personally consider it a bad descicion but hey, I don't get a vote in what someone else decides to do with their life.
People with legitimate(poor word choice, maybe long-standing or identifiable) mental illnesses don't all want to kill themselves.

"oh, I know what having cancer is like, I had a cold once" - you know, between you and Asa I don't know which of you is being a bigger asshole with this "minimize what other people have experienced" shit today. Two turds in a pod imo.
 
wetwille said:
Come-on, you and august have been trying to double-team me and draft off each other for weeks. Game so weak it can't even kill itself.
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yes, clearly we coordinate this, it can't be that we both independently think you say dumb shit and respond appropriately. hope this doesn't put you in a bad mood, heavens knows what you'd do if it did
 
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