Porn vs. Prostitution - a brief look

Sarcasmo

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from Cecil Adams:

Back in the 1980s some law-enforcement types in LA got the bright idea that they could use California's pandering statute to run pornographers out of town. Instead, they established a legal precedent that enshrined their state as the porn capital of the U.S.

The case in question involves porn producer-director Hal Freeman, auteur of more than 100 full-length classics including the immortal Caught From Behind. In 1983 he made Caught From Behind II: The Sequel, and was charged and convicted under California's pandering law, which makes it a felony to "[procure] another person for the purpose of prostitution." But in 1988 his conviction was overturned by the California Supreme Court, which cited precedent establishing that "for [an act] to constitute 'prostitution,' the genitals, buttocks, or female breast, of either the prostitute or the customer must come in contact with some part of the body of the other for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification of the customer or of the prostitute" [emphasis added]. The court found that the "payment of acting fees was the only payment involved in the instant case. . . . There is no evidence that [Freeman] paid the acting fees for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors'." Thus, no prostitution. Besides, the court went on, "even if [Freeman's] conduct could somehow be found to come within the definition of 'prostitution' literally, the application of the pandering statute to the hiring of actors to perform in the production of a . . . motion picture would impinge unconstitutionally upon First Amendment values."

So Freeman's conviction was overturned, and making porn was effectively legalized in California. Producers who once filmed surreptitiously in motel rooms were free to shoot with good lights and no fear of arrest. Another triumph for the storied LAPD.

Not all jurisdictions define prostitution as narrowly as California does. Next door in Arizona, for example, prostitution law was for years written to prohibit "engaging in or agreeing or offering to engage in sexual conduct with another person under a fee arrangement with that person or any other person" [emphasis added]. In 1990 an Arizona appeals court thus upheld the prostitution conviction of one Laure Taylor, who managed and performed in a peep-show theater visited six times by Phoenix undercover police. These were some diligent coppers. The performers asked them to unzip and masturbate, to show their good faith, as it were, but somehow they managed to keep their weapons holstered while the girls got it on.

Then there's the case of Tom and Suzi Wahl (http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/sexedprostitution.html - added by Sarcasmo), a married couple from Lake Saint Louis, Missouri. Not to say they enjoyed the spotlight or anything, but in 1992, the year after they were busted for selling pornographic videos (the raid was later ruled illegal), Suzi applied for the job of police chief, and in 1997 Tom ran for mayor. In 2001 they were arrested and convicted of prostitution by undercover cops attending one of their "educational" sex performances. According to the Missouri statute, "a person commits prostitution if he engages or offers or agrees to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for something of value to be received by the person or by a third person" [emphasis once again added].

However prostitution is defined, courts are generally reluctant to restrain pornographers because of the First Amendment complications. A publicity-crazy lawman can always make arrests and even get convictions, but it's foolish to do so without ironclad statutory language. If a conviction is reversed like Hal Freeman's was, the result would be counterproductive at best. As it stands, there's a big sign over California saying "PORN PRODUCTION LEGAL HERE." Only an idiot, a porn lover, or perhaps an Illinois governor would risk erecting another sign saying "HERE TOO."
 
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I fail to see how we can legalize abortion in this country, but illegalize prostitution. basically, you can kill a child when it's 'not a child', but you can't fuck for money.

We are such a messed up country.
 
I like how in Florida you can have sex with a 16-18 year old provided you're not above a certain age (or so I'm told), but if you videotape it it's a felony.

lol wut

If you are video taping sex with 16-18 year olds, then you have no one but yourself to blame for giving the prosecution the evidence they need to toss you in the clink.
 
Earlier today I was looking into some conduit to see why a fish tape was stuck when all of the sudden it shot out at the end and almost got me in the eye but I jerked away at the last second. The feeling of shocked surprise is what I imagine Porn Starlets feel at the beginning of a money shot.

Prostitutes are typically yucky and harder to surprise. Well unless they find some free crack rocks.
 
I like how in Florida you can have sex with a 16-18 year old provided you're not above a certain age (or so I'm told), but if you videotape it it's a felony.

lol wut

This made me look up florida law just to double check, since the CP laws are federal anyway but

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose

What sorts of medical purposes are there o_O Since it defines activity as involving the organ of another...