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if half the environmentalists would stop fighting nuclear we'd be able to close down coal plants in a decade

but then the rust belt would cry that they're not being guaranteed loads of unskilled labor jobs

also, if we're going to talk about wind subsidies then we have to talk about fossil fuel subsidies. subsidies are a good thing when encouraging a superior technology
 
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my little brony said:
if half the environmentalists would stop fighting nuclear we'd be able to close down coal plants in a decade

but then the rust belt would cry that they're not being guaranteed loads of unskilled labor jobs

also, if we're going to talk about wind subsidies then we have to talk about fossil fuel subsidies. subsidies are a good thing when encouraging a superior technology
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Still the problem is that there is a government requirement for xx% of renewables on the grid. When the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing, *something* has to make up for it IMMEDIATELY. An idle nuclear plant apparently takes upwards of 24 hours to get into power generation mode. Coal takes 5 minutes (which is technically still too long).
 
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The meat and dairy industries are funding bs research to save their earth-killing industries as well. They threaten and bribe until the parts about the meat industry's huge contributions to global warming are hidden/minimized/deleted in the easily accessible reports.
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We gotta teach these cows to wear gas masks.
 
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BTW, there was a fascinating anecdote in this book. A couple of years ago, there was record snow and rain the Pacific Northwest, which is full of hydro dams. When running full force, they're able to generate a huge percentage of electricity needs for the West. Well, it was May and the wind was also blowing. It started blowing too much and they risked a gridoverload. Normally, the hydro guys can open the spillways and reduce power generation, but in May salmon are headed up river to spawn and by Federal law they can't open the spillways. Since these wind farms are private, the power companies have no control over them. They basically had to call and beg the companies to stop making money.

This is the book if anyone also finds this stuff interesting
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DM9Q6CQ/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o01_?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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fly said:
BTW, there was a fascinating anecdote in this book. A couple of years ago, there was record snow and rain the Pacific Northwest, which is full of hydro dams. When running full force, they're able to generate a huge percentage of electricity needs for the West. Well, it was May and the wind was also blowing. It started blowing too much and they risked a gridoverload. Normally, the hydro guys can open the spillways and reduce power generation, but in May salmon are headed up river to spawn and by Federal law they can't open the spillways. Since these wind farms are private, the power companies have no control over them. They basically had to call and beg the companies to stop making money.

This is the book if anyone also finds this stuff interesting
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DM9Q6CQ/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o01_?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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fuck yeah it's interesting. Imma gonna get that
 
fly said:
Still the problem is that there is a government requirement for xx% of renewables on the grid. When the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing, *something* has to make up for it IMMEDIATELY. An idle nuclear plant apparently takes upwards of 24 hours to get into power generation mode. Coal takes 5 minutes (which is technically still too long).
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The best solution is two fold. First, get rid of that requirement and move 100% to nuclear/hydro for the grid. Next, get people off the grid by heavily encouraging them to use solar. All of our renewable (outside of hydro) could easily be done at the consumer. Subsidize the piss out of that instead of giving it to power companies and I think you'd make huge inroads within the next 5 years. Anything else is like a 30 year plan.

We were unable to replace a 50 year old fire alarm system in a nuke plant though because of the red tape. Working on those isn't exactly easy.
 
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plot said:
The best solution is two fold. First, get rid of that requirement and move 100% to nuclear/hydro for the grid. Next, get people off the grid by heavily encouraging them to use solar. All of our renewable (outside of hydro) could easily be done at the consumer. Subsidize the piss out of that instead of giving it to power companies and I think you'd make huge inroads within the next 5 years. Anything else is like a 30 year plan.

We were unable to replace a 50 year old fire alarm system in a nuke plant though because of the red tape. Working on those isn't exactly easy.
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We're sorta doing that. Micro-grids are a thing now. Not only hippy, LEEDS communities, but industrial areas, Google, etc.
 
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my little brony said:
if half the environmentalists would stop fighting nuclear we'd be able to close down coal plants in a decade

but then the rust belt would cry that they're not being guaranteed loads of unskilled labor jobs

also, if we're going to talk about wind subsidies then we have to talk about fossil fuel subsidies. subsidies are a good thing when encouraging a superior technology
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Yeah and if my Aunt had a penis she would be my Uncle.
 
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